Okay, variation on ideal knife scenario

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goldy675

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Obviously there is no perfect knife, and any knife is useless if you don't have it near you. So lets set up a specific hypothetical situation that may apply to many people, and see what they choose.

Hypothetically speaking, lets say that you live in the urban jungle of los angles. Fortunately for you, you live only a few miles from work and don't have to deal with the duecey traffic on a regular basis. You can also get to the mountains if needed. Therefore, you are happy to keep a BOB at home where you could most likely get to it when armageddon comes. Of course it is still not a bad idea to keep a small knife with you/in your car for the immediate need, but you figure you can return home for the "luxurious extended-camping" supplies.

The most likely scenario in which one would expect to find him/herself in a survival situation would be a very large earthquake, in which case a month-long need to self-support could be necessary. Another possible scenario is the nuclear explosion nearby.

Lets say you would like to spend a maximum of around $500 on sharp/pointy things to put in that BOB, you don't want them to total to more than 5 lbs, and you don't want to wait for more than a month for a custom. What cutting tools do you buy?
 
CRK Project I or Green Beret
SAK of your choice
Gerber or Leatherman tool
with the leftover money I would grab a Becker Necker or something like it
 
Buck/Strider 880SP 100.00
Leatherman Surge 80.00
CRK Mk VI 185.00
Simonich Bitteroot 50.00
Wetterling hatchet 30.00


and still have cash to boot... :D
 
12" Ontario machete $18
Frost's Mora SWAK $10
Vic Rucksack $23
And have a BUNCH of $$$$ left over!
Gene :D
 
goldy675 said:
Obviously there is no perfect knife, and any knife is useless if you don't have it near you. So lets set up a specific hypothetical situation that may apply to many people, and see what they choose.

Hypothetically speaking, lets say that you live in the urban jungle of los angles. Fortunately for you, you live only a few miles from work and don't have to deal with the duecey traffic on a regular basis. You can also get to the mountains if needed. Therefore, you are happy to keep a BOB at home where you could most likely get to it when armageddon comes. Of course it is still not a bad idea to keep a small knife with you/in your car for the immediate need, but you figure you can return home for the "luxurious extended-camping" supplies.

The most likely scenario in which one would expect to find him/herself in a survival situation would be a very large earthquake, in which case a month-long need to self-support could be necessary. Another possible scenario is the nuclear explosion nearby.

Lets say you would like to spend a maximum of around $500 on sharp/pointy things to put in that BOB, you don't want them to total to more than 5 lbs, and you don't want to wait for more than a month for a custom. What cutting tools do you buy?
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Two things that I advice you
First stop watching the movies
secondly go for psychotherapy
you have a problem

only the best
 
ishiyumisan said:
Two things that I advice you
First stop watching the movies
secondly go for psychotherapy
you have a problem

only the best
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Wow, a little jumpy are we? Notice that I never said I thought these things would happen anytime soon, or even in the next few lifetimes. I will stand by my example cases as the more likely scenarios to put one in a survival situation in the middle of Los Angeles (besides getting caught in the middle of a gang fight). If you asked me what I thought the odds of those things happening in the next 30 years were, I might say one in a thousand. I also think the odds of me getting in a car accident today are one in a thousand, but that doesn’t keep me from putting on my seatbelt. I’m just hoping to receive some good advice from the more knowledgeable folks on this forum as to the better knives to purchase to be ready for anything, for someone living in the Los Angeles area. Thanks for your (not so much) valuable input.
 
I didn't think your scenarios were to far out there. Beats some of the stuff I dream up. You plan for the worst and practice how you will react, that doesn't mean you think it will happen, it only means you will be ready if it does. I would rather be prepared for something that may never happen, plus it is fun to plan these things out and to ready your gear. Maybe we are all a little crazy, but whats the harm in that? :p
 
goldy675 said:
The most likely scenario in which one would expect to find him/herself in a survival situation would be a very large earthquake, in which case a month-long need to self-support could be necessary. Another possible scenario is the nuclear explosion nearby.
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Well I forgive you about that the earthquake scenario you do not need a knife !!!
but I can't forgive you about nuclear explosion !
you know hiroshima, nagasaki? you know the same history? you know Einstein?
Do you know the first nation that made the first nuclear bomb?
you know Russian back in 1960's made one nuclear bomb 2500 Times
stronger than the one dropped in hiroshima?
you know what Einstein said after the world war second ? He said "there are just two things, infinite universe and human stupidity !
I agree with the second one.




plan no useless move, take no step in vain.

ishiyumisan
 
ishiyumisan,
Are you saying there will be no survivors following a nuclear explosion? Depends on your distance from the blast. It won't necessarily be an old Soviet strategic nuke, more likely a small suitcase with limited yield.

If a nuke went off in LA (say a small one detonated at ground level) there would an area of total devastation with destruction lessening with distance from GZ and given terrain. There will definitely be survivors and some just might need to cut something. That said, a knife would not top my list of things I might need. Shelter (lots of concrete) and water would be at the top of my list.
 
Given today's climate, a small nuke or bio agent is not such a far fetched scenario anymore. Or doesn't seem that way to me.

ishiyumisan, if you have a bone to pick, please do it somewhere else. Here we try to discuss legitimate survival techniques. Postulating on the cause in this case is legitimate in this discussion.
 
Well I forgive you about that the earthquake scenario you do not need a knife : because you have sharp thing allover the place.
nuke attack guys strat to become funny.
ok you want the same scenario I will give one:
ok let's say that 20 nuke missiles target usa travel speed of Mach3, usaf will stop 12 before the hit the target ok will have 8 missiles to deal.
8 big cities will be hit america is hit north,south, west, east, center:

effects of a nuclear explosion:
effects of a nuclear explosion:
1]flash
This cause flash blindness. The severity depens on proximity to the burst,directin, time of day, level of cloud base, and the weather.
2]fireball
The size of this sphere of hot gas indicates yield[size] of the devise.
3]heat
Massive heat radiation in straight line causes two of fire: primary,started directly by the radiation, and secondary, caused by the blast rupturing gas mains.
4]blast and shock
This is caused by pressure differential. The blast has bosh a positive and
negative phese, i,e a push=and pull effect.
5] radiation
There are three types:
a} Initial, very high levels, released during the first minute;mainly gamma.
b}residual, or fallout, radioactive dust emetting alpha, beta and gamma.
c}Neutron=induced activity; objects in the path of the initial radiation will themselves become radioactive.
6] treeTransient Radiation Effect on Equipmement accompanies the initial radiation and wiill temporarily make communications unworkable.
7]EMP
Electro=Magnetic Phenomena, ionisation of the air, causes wire=rangin damege to electronic equipment.
8] cloud
Note the characteristic shape, and be awere that an airburst may not produce a mushroom cloud at all.

Ok you guys, Let's say that you have a nuclear refuge and are inside, you'll survive the nuclear blast. How many NBC clothes, gas masks and filters you have? How much food and water you have? All these you have are gone, what you gonna do? Ok you're strong man, what about your family especially your kids? Do you have NBC clothes, gas masks and filters for them as well?
Do you still think fire fighters, police men, army etc. come and help you?
Let's finish this one here, and will take less than 8 nuclear explosions to make US citizens on the knee forever and US soil like Hell.


plan no useless move, take no step in vain.

ishiyumisan
 
I didn't think your scenarios were to far out there. Beats some of the stuff I dream up. You plan for the worst and practice how you will react, that doesn't mean you think it will happen, it only means you will be ready if it does. I would rather be prepared for something that may never happen, plus it is fun to plan these things out and to ready your gear. Maybe we are all a little crazy, but whats the harm in that
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Like a massive earthquake drops california into the ocean?

Or the Volcano under yellowstone blows, and within months the (ocean) temps have risen so much we're facing 400mph/wind hurricanes?

Or the same event in Yellowstone cause the icecaps to melt, raising the sea level 130 (something) feet, sinking most, if not all of these cheesy state I live in?

Yea, we're all a little crazy.. but in my own defense, all the above scenarios have been posted in various scientific journals over the years.. so they started it!


On topic: Becker BK7, good leatherman (your choice) .. and a folder that suits your personal preference.
 
Well i see a lot of fans of both the Ontario machete and the becker bk-7&9. With a large budget available and to still get so many recommendations for the becker and ontario products, i gotta assume that they are where the best value is at. Thanks to everyone who contributed, i'll be buying soon!
 
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