OKC3s questions

[zanussi01]

Is this a fake OKC3s bayonet?
I saw this one recently which looks right,handle and scabbard markings were right,except the serration pattern is slightly different and no markings on the blade.
The lack of blade markings are a concern to me.
Is this real or fake?

 

[GIRLYmann]

far as i m aware.
usgi mil specs coating
should be zinc phosphate.
it is completely low glare matt
no shine.
this is applied on all metal fixtures
below is an example of a coated surface

ONTARIO OKC3S MARINE BAYONET (Estados Unidos)

Fabricadas por Ontario de New York, Estados Unidos para el cuerpo de Marina. Su NSN es 1095-01-506-3424. Con un aire similar a...

bacotacticoscuchillos.blogspot.com

 

[zanussi01]

Thanks GIRLYmann,
Yes this coating is another red flag to me on this one.
It is not like the zinc phosphate in your pics,especially on the muzzle ring and pommel.
Notice also how the coating is over the already sharpened serrations.
This is not how they are done on all the real ones I've seen.
The blade is coated first,then the serrations are ground in.

The handle markings are also a concern,more so than the scabbard which can be bought separate anyway.

I just heard back from the seller about this bayonet,his reply was that it "is an Ontario made "reproduction" and
well known to collectors,with lots of info on google".
I cant find anything on google or elsewhere about these,thats why I posted here.

Why would Ontario make a repo of something they are making?
Wish Toooj was here to shed light on this.

 

[Roguer]

Well I'm no experted one, but the color of the handle is not right as well.

One thing the Military wanted was OKC to sell the real bayonet to the civilian market, in case a jar head who lost his bayonet who buys one to replace it before returning his gear, it would be a same type of quality bayonet that the military buys. So I don't think Ontario would sell "Reproductions" out on the market that aren't like the military model ones. Unless its a super rare prototype or maybe a blemished one?... I think the seller is selling a unique and special version of truth as he see's it maybe?

Edicus: I found this that shows what some prototypes look like.

USMC Ontario OKC3s 1st Fielded Prototype Bayonet 1 of 500

A few years ago I was fortunate enough to purchase this bayonet from Frank Trzaska and to this day it remains a focal point of my USMC collection. After searching the net for more info and coming up with zero, I thought that I should post this to preserve the information and to provide insight in...

www.usmilitariaforum.com

I do have an OKC3S bayonet I put on my one AR-15 that has an bayonet lug.

 

[GIRLYmann]

....

It is not ... zinc phosphate ...on the muzzle ring and pommel.
Notice also how the coating is over the already sharpened serrations.
This is not how they are done on all the real ones I've seen.
The blade is coated first,then the serrations are ground in.
....the seller about this bayonet,his reply was that it "is an Ontario..."reproduction" ...

so about the pictures you have posted,

the thing which bothers me most are
the dimensions
i dunno if its an optical illusion,
but when compared to an actual product

1FTS

My bayonet collection

www.nirvi.fi

the blade on yours seems shorter.

btw a prc replica is almost always in stainless steel

 

[zanussi01]

Roguer,I agree with you,the colour difference may be due to the lighting in the pics,but it is another red flag to me on this one.
I did read the piece about the first fielded prototypes while researching this,its not that one.
Thanks for that anyway.

After seeing GIRLYmann's picture of the PRC tanto I feel that this is what it is.
The blade length may be due to optical illusion,but also a red flag as well.
I'm not going to buy it that's for sure,I hope others can get some sort of value
in regards to seeing what fakes or repos look like so they can be informed as to whats out there.
Buyer beware.

 

[zanussi01]

Just acquired these yesterday.
These are the real deal!
From left to right:-
First version(only the first 5000 made like this),second version and third version.
The first and second have been issued and used,both have rack numbers.
The third looks to have handling wear only.

 

[GIRLYmann]

nice 3some.
ahhhh...
if bayonets could talk...