Old knife, old gun.

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With the heat wave and high 90's temps back down in the 80's, I deceided it was time for some range hours. I packed up a handgun and a rifle and headed out.

Now being retired, I've one of the few advantages to being old enough to put up with arthritus and other pains in the butt of age. Durring the week the shooting range is deserted, exept for other retired old farts like me.

Being alone, I took my time setting up some targets, and loading some magazines. I had brought out my old ruger standard model. Dad had tought me to shoot on his old woodsman, and when I was in my senior year at high school and it was time for me to have a .22 pistol of my own, dad and I had broused the local gun shop. I had looked at the Colt woodsman, but the post war models had been squarred off, and up sized. They were no longer the slim trim little pistol like dad's. Niether were they on a budjet of a high school kid delivering papers in the morning and mowing lawns in the afternoon. Instead the gunshop owner had shown us a new gun they were carrying, a ruger .22 auto styled like a Luger in outline, and best of all were 39.95. It felt good in the hand, dad said it looked like a well made gun, so it went home with me. Now, almost 50 years later, its a bit worn looking, silvery in spots, but still shoots well.

On days like this, I have a laid back way of shooting. I'll shoot the 3 magazines I have loaded, then I take a break, smoke my pipe, and whittle a little bit. The pistol range is down in a little hollow with a stand of pine trees in back of it with picnic tables set out. I'll have a seat and shave off paper thin slivers of wood, and when my pipe gets low, go back and shoot some more. Today I had an old Opinel number 8 I got back in 1982, and it was shaving really thin curls. In my other pocket was the old Hen and Rooster. My trips to the range don't have as much to do with shooting as just mental recharging.

So I shot, whittled, shot some more, whittled some more. I relected a bit on the old comment they don't make them like they used to. Here I was shooting a gun designed by Strum and Ruger in 1947, and whittling with a knife designed by Joseph Opinel in 1890, with the locking ring added in 1911. Both were doing what they were designed to do, many years after newer items were available. I shot another two magazines, and whittled some with the old stockman. It cut as well as the Opinel. I don't know how many hundreds of years the slip joint design has been around.

I shot off another couple of mags and I had the berm almost cleaned. I have this game I play, to pit me against myself. I set out pieces of broken clay birds on the 25 yard berm, and I shoot the pieces, breaking them smaller smaller, untill the berm is clean. I tell myself I can't leave till all the little red pieces of clay birds are gone. I used to be better at this, not taking as much ammo to hit all the small bits. Old eyes betray me, and I find sometimes I have to just leave a few little bits there on the berm. That when I have to use the rifle. Another old gun from my youth, the Marlin .22 lever action. About as old as the Opinel in origin, dating in design from the 1880's. The one I have is only about half a century old.

I finish off the last of the bits of clay bird with the .22 carbine, the Marlin being equipted with a Williams foolproof peep sign give me a much needed hand. I reflect as I shoot, that in spite of being dated, old fashioned, even viewed as obsolite by some young cutting edge guys with thier plastic framed black pistols and black rifles, the hundred year old designed lever action rifle, like the slip joint, still gets the job done.

I can only wonder if thats why the traditional slip joints are still being made and sold. In spite of the numbers of manufactures of spring clipped locking one hand opening knives, the old traditional is still a viable item in the market place. Sure Camillus and Schrade have fallen by the wayside, but Case, Queen/Shatt and Morgan are going strong as ever.

Maybe there will always be a place for things that really work, in spite of there being newer, slicker, designs around.
 
Instead the gunshop owner had shown us a new gun they were carrying, a ruger .22 auto styled like a Luger in outline, and best of all were 39.95. It felt good in the hand, dad said it looked like a well made gun, so it went home with me. Now, almost 50 years later, its a bit worn looking, silvery in spots, but still shoots well.

I learned to shoot with the very same pistol, I believe. Ruger MK2 in my case, target barrel. Sweetest shooting pistol I've ever seen.

I'd be willing to bet you'd be right at home with my target rifle. Savage model 29A, made somewhere in the early 30s. It'll shoot anything you want except 22 Magnum, and has a front sight as fine as a business card. :D
 
I learned on a High Standard Military but have owned several Rugers over the years. I still have my Marlin 39A Golden Mountie and my Stevens Crackshot. I own many "modern" firearms but for just plain plinking (which in and of itself is almost a lost art) the combo of a Ruger Standard and lever action 22 is hard to beat. Add in a bit of whittlin' and you have the making of a fine afternoon...
 
My range is nice and peaceful, relatively few people even on a nice weekend day (private range associated with a fraternal organization). I consider myself very lucky to get out there for my quiet time, even if it's 15 miles from my house.

My old Ruger (Bisley single action revolver) accompanies me, as does my Buckmark, and recently my other new/old gun: A new model of another 100 year old design, the 1911.

These days I spend about as much time enjoying the outdoors and picking up brass as I do actually shooting.

-- Sam
 
Maybe there will always be a place for things that really work, in spite of there being newer, slicker, designs around.
JK, you're a bad influence on me! :D In my pocket as I type this is my Eye Brand stag stockman. I just made some notes with a fountain pen on my desk and I'm wearing a Hamilton Khaki Automatic on my wrist. This morning I shaved with my Hen & Rooster straight razor. And my two favorite firearms are my Baer 1911 and my CZ 452. None of these things are cutting edge, but they work and they work well. That's probably the reason why I treasure them so much. Despite the prevalent "newer is better" mentality it's nice to know that there are some things that are made so well that you don't have to replace it every few years.

What's that old saying? "Quality never goes out of style?"
 
I can only wonder if thats why the traditional slip joints are still being made and sold. In spite of the numbers of manufactures of spring clipped locking one hand opening knives, the old traditional is still a viable item in the market place. Sure Camillus and Schrade have fallen by the wayside, but Case, Queen/Shatt and Morgan are going strong as ever.

Maybe there will always be a place for things that really work, in spite of there being newer, slicker, designs around.

And I'm glad for that.
Great way to spend the afternoon. :thumbup:

Peter
 
In a thread where Colt Woodsmans, Case Knives & Hamilton watches are mentioned, what can I do but post a picture or two?

Jackknife, I do have a couple of the older Woodsmans, but this is really the prettiest one I have....

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jackknife, after getting home from this tour, I'm loading up My Ruger Standard Model and my Marlin Model 39, sticking my little Case Medium Stockman in my pocket, and I'm going shooting! Thanks for the inspiration, my friend!

Ron
 
My Ruger .22 pistol was the first firearm I ever owned, and the only one for many years. I love it.

One of my shooting buddies has a nice old K22 that I've been drooling over. When we shoot together, I really enjoy shooting it. Last time we went out, I shot about 100 rounds through it. Then I picked up my old Ruger, and was amazed at how much better I am with that little gun, how "right" it still feels when I pick it up, and how easy it is to shoot.

It works. I still want a .22 revolver, but I truly don't need one. I have an excellent .22 already.
 
excellent story, im a bit jealous actually, recharging is what i need, this is the first year in a few that the family and i wont be heading to Hatteras Island:mad:
But the ruger was the gun i wanted as a kid, never could talk the old man into it, did get him to give in and get a marlin bolt action 22, still have it. Not to derail the thead but what kinda pipe and tobacco did ya enjoy at the range that day?
thanks for the wonderful story
cheers
ivan
 
Hey Zip7 - Awesome pistol buddy. The Case stockman you have lined up with it, what is the year and pattern on that one?

Thanks!
 
Jacknife, excellent thread. I'm in a similar situation as yours, retired, like to go to the range in the middle of the week...a woodsy range primarily supported by old gun hands...I avoid weekends and especially just before hunting season, every yahoo in the county is there sighting in their deer rifle. I also have an old Rugar 22 pistol that I try out along with my 1911, my grand-dad's old Colt .32-20 revolver and a small variety of bolt actions, several of which are old military. And yes, I pick up the half-broken clays that other people have left on the ground, stick them up again and reduce them to smaller pieces. And I take a break to smoke my pipe, scratch my ass, and talk to the other old farts who reload and come out for some peaceful shooting. I feel very lucky to have this kind of time and place to do some thoughtful paper punching. Ain't life grand :)
 
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Hey Zip7 - Awesome pistol buddy. The Case stockman you have lined up with it, what is the year and pattern on that one?

Thanks!

It's one of these: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=562116

I actually have 9 or 10 colt 22 autos - all but 2 are Woodsmans, and that is just the fanciest one. My dad collected them, but his idea of collecting was buy every one you can get for half what it's worth. So I don't want to upset you by telling you what he gave for it. But even at full price, I'm pretty sure the pocket watch is the most valuable item in that picture.

Coldwood, we go to a range like that - out in the woods - great place to go. I need to make another trip out there soon and shoot some 22s. I have a regular arsenal of rimfire firearms, but my most trusted are one of the Woodsmans an ancient winchester model 67 single shot, and 2 CZ 452's. If there is one item that is made today that people will admire for its quality 50 years from now, it's surely the CZ rimfire rifle.
 
Coldwood, we go to a range like that - out in the woods - great place to go. I need to make another trip out there soon and shoot some 22s. I have a regular arsenal of rimfire firearms, but my most trusted are one of the Woodsmans an ancient winchester model 67 single shot, and 2 CZ 452's. If there is one item that is made today that people will admire for its quality 50 years from now, it's surely the CZ rimfire rifle.


Zip, I absolutely agree with that, I bought a CZ 452 2E a couple of years ago and I am so happy I did. My other favorite is a pristine Swedish mauser.
 
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excellent story, im a bit jealous actually, recharging is what i need, this is the first year in a few that the family and i wont be heading to Hatteras Island:mad:
But the ruger was the gun i wanted as a kid, never could talk the old man into it, did get him to give in and get a marlin bolt action 22, still have it. Not to derail the thead but what kinda pipe and tobacco did ya enjoy at the range that day?
thanks for the wonderful story
cheers
ivan

Nothin wrong with a Marlin bolt action .22 at all! some of the best rifles out there.

A Peterson 317 and air cured Kentucky burley.:thumbup:
 
Jacknife, excellent thread. I'm in a similar situation as yours, retired, like to go to the range in the middle of the week...a woodsy range primarily supported by old gun hands...I avoid weekends and especially just before hunting season, every yahoo in the county is there sighting in their deer rifle. I also have an old Rugar 22 pistol that I try out along with my 1911, my grand-dad's old Colt .32-20 revolver and a small variety of bolt actions, several of which are old military. And yes, I pick up the half-broken clays that other people have left on the ground, stick them up again and reduce them to smaller pieces. And I take a break to smoke my pipe, scratch my ass, and talk to the other old farts who reload and come out for some peaceful shooting. I feel very lucky to have this kind of time and place to do some thoughtful paper punching. Ain't life grand :)

At this point in my life, I'd say it's very grand!:D
 
First pistol I ever purchased was a Ruger standard auto. $99.50 suggested retail price at the time. Never did learn to shoot it well. Currently the only pistol I own is a Ruger old model Blackhawk in 41 mag. It shoots very well.
Since I have no shooting or hunting friends where I currently live so I have no plans to purchase other firearms.
Knives on the other hand..................
 
It was an old Browning 150 .22 pistol that started me off in shooting.

Pretty similar to the Woodsman in shape and size.

I had a bull-barrel Ruger too later on.



UK gun laws :barf: :(
 
It was an old Browning 150 .22 pistol that started me off in shooting.

Pretty similar to the Woodsman in shape and size.

I had a bull-barrel Ruger too later on.



UK gun laws :barf: :(

Hey jacknife, not to derail the thread, but I saw a video just the other day, I'm not real sure about the time frame it was shot, but it was a demonstration of British citizens carrying signs and protesting that they want thier rights to gun ownership back. There was part of an interview with at least one menber of Parliment on thier side He admitted in the interview that things had not worked as planned, and the rise in home invasion crime had skyrocked. It looked to be a sizable demonstration in the street outside a gov't building.

So there must be some grass roots organization working to get the guns back, hopefully. Have you heard anything about this?
 
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