Old Style vs. Modern Style Slip Joints

DavidZ

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I was just thinking about how slip joint folders have changed over the years. I really like both styles, way more than my knife buying budget allows.
But where do you think the distinction lies? If this has been discussed before, my BF search function ability failed me. In my mind:
The Old Style features:
Rivet construction
Mostly Natural material scales
No internal stop pin

The new style features:
Screw together construction
Non - Natural material scales. Even one piece metal handles.
Internal Stop pins
Washers as pivot bearings
Let me know your thoughts!
 
I generally agree but some companies used screws 100 years ago. And some that I consider to clearly be modern have natural handle materials. I have some with wood, horn, and stag scales.
 
first of all we should probably clarify that traditional and slipjoint are two terms that shouldn't really be conflated , not all slipjoints are automatically traditional and many traditional knives aren't slipjoints.

To me there are conventional traditional knives.
Those that are slightly modernized.
Then you have modern / contemporary slipjoints and modern two handed lockbacks.

The latter two can be gray areas, or just sometimes disputed by people who just want to be thorny.
The less conventional more modern stuff can be a gray area , it just depends on how close it is to a conventional traditional knife and whether or not the maker wanted to blur lines or something.
If you change too many little details here and there you can end up with a Barlow inspired modern knife instead of a Barlow with some modern conventions.
That's where the line is when you've already eliminated the disqualifiers like pocket clips and thumb studs.
Is it just a conventional true to pattern slipjoint that's screwed together and maybe has some modern materials, or are the blades unconventionally shaped and are there any overly modern aesthetic elements.
It's like that old saying " if you have to ask you already know the answer ", except when it comes to swiss army knives which people frequently have to ask about for some reason the saying mostly holds true around here.

The last one is really not a gray area to anybody who really gets the program around here ( the typical / general atmosphere is old timey knives) , but some people just want to think any slipjoint should automatically be considered traditional and belong here on the porch.
People have thrown fits over Benchmade and spyderco slipjoints because they wouldn't accept that they were not traditional knives. It always seems odd to me when somebody gets upset over not getting to join in here when they don't seem to actually have any interest in the types of knives we discuss here.

I personally like my traditional knives to be entirely conventional.
The modern materials and construction methods just don't interest me, but as such I exercise my ability to only pay attention to the stuff that does interest me.
 
I was just thinking about how slip joint folders have changed over the years. I really like both styles, way more than my knife buying budget allows.
But where do you think the distinction lies? If this has been discussed before, my BF search function ability failed me. In my mind:
The Old Style features:
Rivet construction
Mostly Natural material scales
No internal stop pin

The new style features:
Screw together construction
Non - Natural material scales. Even one piece metal handles.
Internal Stop pins
Washers as pivot bearings
Let me know your thoughts!
Screw construction has been around for more than 100 years.
Non-natural material and metal handles have likewise been around for more than 100 years.
Don't need stop pins with a slip joint. The back spring does that job.
Don't need washers or bearings either. Those are for flippers and the like. I've never seen a well made older slip joint that would have benefitted from either.
 
I am a maker and partial to the modern traditional segment. Traditional patterns but with modern stainless steels, simple synthetic material for scales like micarta, carbon fiber, maybe some jigged bone, traditional peened construction, pinned shield, but mill relieved liners.
 
These are all very well thought out replies. I didn't even consider Spyderco slip joints. Pocket clips and thumb holes? Traditional? I don't know how to classify them. Wow, this gets pretty interesting.
 
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