Old Timer 14OT - yeah!

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Just won Ebay 6632639739 for a 14OT. I haven't seen many of these around, and at a fair price of about $21 including shipping, it's great.

Not excited about the fact that the guy took a scouring pad to the blade -- any suggestions to polish it up a bit? Or maybe I should just clean it and leave it as is.
 
I think Schrade finished a lot of their blades with a Scotch Brite wheel or belt. I have a belt like that, but different brand, that I use to finish some of the Schrade blanks I bought from LT. It isn't for the high polished blades, but works well on a 152OT blank to put a factory type finish on the blade. Jantz supply has one called a Satin Brite belt that I use and the finish is very near a Schrade out of the box.

Dale
 
I may have posted this here before, if so then please overlook the redundence. We seem to have a few new members who may not be familiar with these particular short production Old Timers.

The Schrade 13OT and 14OT are a fairly rare pair of Schrade pattern Old Timer rigid blades. The 13OT and 14OT were the sixth and seventh fixed blade Old Timer when they were first introduced in 1978 (15OT-'64, 165OT-'67, 41OT-'71, 152OT-'73, 154OT-'76 ) and were produced for only three years before being discontinued after 1980 (13OT) and four years 1981 (14OT). They were first manufactured well after the Schrade-Walden name had been changed to Schrade Cutlery (in mid 1973), so will only be found with the "SCHRADE U.S.A. 13OT/14OT" tang stamp on regular production knives. In the 1978 Schrade Cutlery catalog they listed for $35.00 each, and remained at that price until retired from production.

The 8 1/2"13OT Trailblazer has a heavy 3 3/4" drop point full exposed tang blade, slightly curved spine brown sawcut Delrin handle pinned to the tang with two nickle silver flush compression rivets, and a brass bolster/guard. A nickle silver Old Timer shield is set flush on the right handle (rectangular with radiused ends, "OLD TIMER"). Over the short span of production, only the brown sawcut Delrin handles were used. The handle has no lanyard hole as was featured on many later small fixed OT patterns. Weight was listed at 7.6 ounces. The catalog listed the blade steel as "High Carbon Steel Rust Resistant", which I understand is another expression of "Schrade+ Steel" I have not noted any private or limited edition issues of this pattern, and there was no known UH version. Neither is there a direct predecessor or descendent identifiable.

The 8 1/2"14OT Timberline has a heavy 3 3/4" clip point full exposed tang blade, slightly curved spine brown sawcut Delrin handle pinned to the tang with two nickle silver flush compression rivets, and a brass bolster/guard. A nickle silver Old Timer shield is set flush on the right handle (rectangular with radiused ends, "OLD TIMER"). Over the short span of production, only the brown sawcut Delrin handles were used. The handle has no lanyard hole as was featured on many later small fixed OT patterns. Weight was listed at 7.6 ounces. The catalog listed the blade steel as "High Carbon Steel Rust Resistant", which I understand is another expression of "Schrade+ Steel" I have not noted any private or limited edition issues of this pattern, but there was a UH version, the 144UH (1979-'82). Neither is there a direct predecessor or descendent other than the 144UH identifiable.

I have found one basic sheath design which is a folded tubular sewn sheath with no handle keeper strap. It was stitched with brown thread, with five small rivets protecting the stitching. The leather on the sheath back was extended and folded over backward above the sheath throat to form a belt hanger. It was secured to the sheath back with stitching. Because of the small size of the sheath, none were made with the stone pocket found on other larger Schrade fixed blade patterns. Sheath finish color did not vary much during the short production from light russet to brown. No undyed replacement sheaths have shown up on the market.

Unlike Old Timers with longer production runs, no engineering changes have been detected on the 13OT or 14OT over the brief span of production, though some slight variations may come to light in the future.

No distinctly different tang stamps have been noted so. I have seen no relics of the 13OT or 14OT pattern appearing from the Schrade inventory and sample room, as I have with many patterns.

The entire standard production was marked with the right-hand tang stamp "SCHRADE" over "U.S.A. 13/14OT" perpendicular to the blade and read from the handle. This tang stamp remained unchanged during the few years of production.

So far, no American company has, since July of 2004, tooled up and begun producing their own versions of either knife that I am aware of.

The 13/14OT knife patterns were evidently not very popular, so fewer were produced from the introduction to the cessation of production than many Schrade fixed blade patterns. Given the low number of units produced over such a short time period, and, having been discontinued for so long, the absence of manufacturer and dealer NOS knives, they are rightly considered modern rarities.

As with the predecessor fixed Old Timers, the textured Delrin handle provides a very sure grip even when wet, impervious to environmental heat or cold. It is impact resistant, not prone to being easily damaged by nicks and chips, and a not bad approximation of burnt bone in color and appearance. The nickle silver compression rivets, used from beginning to end, hardly ever loosen or corrode. Since the pattern is constructed of so few pieces, service problems are practically non-existent. The AISI 1095 high carbon steel is an excellent cutlery steel with .90 - 1.03% carbon, .30-.50 Magnesium, .040 phosphorus maximum, and .050 sulphur maximum. Rockwell hardness is "c" of 56-57, according to Schrade records. This is hard enough to be somewhat wear resistant, yet soft enough to be flexible to resist chipping and breakage. They were good knives and comfortable to use, but did not seem to catch the eye of the buying public like the larger knives.
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Codger
 
I can't resist... my Frank Sinatra book commemorative 13OT and my Prototype white micarta handled 14OT. Each one of a kind.

Phil
 

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So did the 14OT ever have a wood handle? I saw one like this and wondered if it was built from spare parts or something.
 
Yes. At one time or another, impregnated wood was used for commemoratives, special editions, or special factory orders on most OT and UH knives. Documenting the actual use is the problem though. Some have only appeared as samples made up to show prospective buyers, while others went on to production complete with special etches, shielding, etc. There were leftover pieces of these in the factory when it closed, and many of those made it to the market, albeit incomplete..

This is a 165 Woodsman pattern sample from my collection. As far as I have been able to determine, it never made it to a production piece, either as a commem, or SFO.


But here is the 1991-92 Federal Duck Stamp issue using the 160 pattern. Perhaps they rejected the hollow ground 165 in favor of the 160 for it's flat grind, making a better palett for the etch?

Codger
 
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