Old-Timer honesteel

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Hi all. Im new here, well about 3-4 weeks. What I found about 25? years ago was an Schrade Old-Timer honesteel, has its own case that flips the steel over to lock it in place useing the case. Its 7 in. long by 1 in. wide. What I am really taken by it, is when I run into some knifes that are either made out of junk steel or others really hard to put an edge on (aka some older Bucks) that old timer honesteel will even put an edge on junk!!! I was so Impressed by how well it worked, that I (thankfully) got another one about 2-3 years after the first. Well the 25+ year old one is still doing things that simply nothing!! else does.. Its just very odd? I think they were discontinued about 15 or so years ago? But I sure am glad I have not just one but two! Oh and my only other Schrade is a wodden handle folding fillet knive, and thats another one that is a keeper. Thanks for any input of just how that hone works so dang well? Enjoy all. Edgy.:thumbup:
 
Chromium Carbide coating, the best thing to come along before diamonds. Well, before diamond coatings became cheap enough to be feasable. If you search the forum for HONESTEEL you will find my research on them.

Michael Just
 
Thank You Michael. Hum. I tryed about 13-14 different diamond hones and sharpeners, but Im still stuck on my Old timers. I will look for your research on hones, sounds interesting.! Thanks again. Enjoy. edgy:thumbup:
 
Here is a cut-n-paste of my research to save you some time. I wrote this back in '05 I think.
HS1 Honesteel Research


The Schrade HS1 Honesteel was a unique knife sharpener which came boxed with a sheath, leather thong, and use instruction sheet. According to the Schrade instructions, its uses are; General sharpening on most cutting tools, Cracking Deer Pelvis, Wood Splitting and as a fish "billy". Touted by Schrade as "The Lazy Mans way to Sharpen", they were designed to be used without the need for oil or wetting agent. The unique sheath is designed as a handle for easier sharpening.

The Honesteel was patented by Henry B. Baer (“Uncle Henry”), and assigned to Imperial Knife Associated Companies. The design patent was filed in June of 1971, and issued in July of 1973. The patent expired in 1984, fourteen years. The design claim allowed was “The ornamental design for a combination whetter and sheath”. The patent does not mention the tapered end, nor show the sheath deployed as a handle, or claim that it can be used as such. The patent drawings also show the finial as the bottom part of the female snap portion, though no claim for it’s use is mentioned. Neither is there mention of the honesteel’s surface texture or material, or uniqueness of it’s use. Those details would have been subject matter for a utility patent which evidently Henry’s patent attorney advised against, probably based on a search of prior utility patents. The patent issued July, 17, 1973 as #D-227733. The name “Honesteel” did not appear in the patent, where it was referred to as a “combination whetter and sheath”. “Honesteel” was a separate copyrighted trademark name.

The HS1 first appeared in the 1972 catalog with a stamp of SCHRADE - WALDEN over OLD TIMER over HONESTEEL over PAT. PEND. Most of these came in a “Schrade-Walden” stamped sheath. These early ones had a single face bevel, later changed to a double bevel. Patent Pending stamps are more commonly seen with the Schrade tang stamp, indicative of the patent issue after mid 1973 when Schrade Walden became Schrade Cutlery. The Schrade-Walden (and early Schrade) HS1 Old Timer Honesteel appears with two holes in the handle. The first, smaller hole (0.262), is a thong (or lanyard) hole. The second, larger round hole (0.274), is for handle attachment into the finial when the Honesteel is reversed into the sheath. The first thongs were tied in a square knot, or included loose in the box. Later it was permanently attached with a metal cylindrical clamp band near the joined ends.

The Honesteel was listed in the 1973 Schrade Cutlery catalog as HS1 Hone Steel, patent pending, and sold for $10.00 with sheath/handle and thong. In 1975 it is also called the HS1 Hone Steel (picture notes still pending, though this may have just been an oversight) and sold for $11.00 with sheath/handle and thong.
By 1980, the name in the catalog was made one word, Honesteel (as it always was when stamped on the tool), the thong hole had been eliminated, and the second hole made teardrop shaped to facilitate the included thong while still allowing handle attachment, and the price was $15.00. The thong was shown permanently attached with a metal clamp band. Since the Honesteel this was seen on was mint and complete in the brown woodgrain folding box with the accompanying paperwork, this was a factory installed item.

In 1988 the price was $20.95 (thong not illustrated now), $22.95 in 1989, and $24.95 in 1991, and $25.95 in 1992. In the 1999 catalog it listed for $36.95, and the single hole for handle attachment was made round. The price was $37.95 in 2000, when it appeared alongside the new SK-1 diamond sharpener which sold for $9.99. Schrade dropped the HS1 Honesteel from the catalog in 2001, and from then until the closing, the SK-1 was the only hone offered by Schrade.

The sheath style stayed the same for the full production period, though variations in finish paralleled those of production knife sheaths. I have one circa 1980's with a tan suede sheath. Most I have seen have been either smooth brown polished leather or natural undyed polished leather like the replacement knife sheaths. It is a rectangular tubular folded sewn sheath with a small rivet at each end of the brown or white stitching for reinforcement. A male stud (sometimes called a finial) affixed to the interior engages the hole in the Honesteel when the sheath is used as a handle, and a bifold lateral flap has male and female snap studs for closure. The back of the sheath is folded over the back and riveted with two small rivets midway down the sheath back forming a belt hanger. The first sheaths were stamped “SCHRADE-WALDEN over OLD TIMER over HONESTEEL”, though most of the sheaths seen are embellished with the identifying emboss "SCHRADE over OLD TIMER over HONESTEEL"

The true composition of the Honesteel is, according to the included sheet, "high carbon cutlery steel" (I occasionally see one with rusted spots) and impregnated with chromium carbide. It seems to be several times harder than common steel, as I have never seen one worn out. They are seven inches long, 1" wide, and the end opposite the stamp and hole is tapered to a chisel shape, purportedly for splitting deer pelvis.

The aggressive surface texture is a modified file, striated lengthwise. It works well with most blade steels, but I find the handle contrivance to not be rigid enough to be of any help in actual use. Often when I see an older used unit, the back of the sheath shows signs of stropping, which is a good use. Schrade sold a good many of these over the years, and whether or not there were repeat customers for them, they are a useful tool. A set of the three main types makes for an interesting addition to any Schrade knife collection.

Type 1
Stamp: SCHRADE-WALDEN over OLD TIMER over HONESTEEL over PAT. PEND.
Sheath Stamp: SCHRADE-WALDEN over OLD TIMER over HONESTEEL
Thong: Tied
Holes: 2 round
Bevel: Single (front)

Stamp: SCHRADE-WALDEN over OLD TIMER over HONESTEEL over PAT. PEND.
Sheath Stamp: SCHRADE-WALDEN over OLD TIMER over HONESTEEL
Thong: Clamped
Holes: 2 round
Bevel: Double

Stamp: SCHRADE over OLD TIMER over HONESTEEL over PAT. PEND.
Sheath Stamp: SCHRADE over OLD TIMER over HONESTEEL
Thong: Clamped
Holes: 2 round
Bevel: Double


Stamp: SCHRADE over HS-1 PAT. NO. Over D-227,733
Sheath Stamp: SCHRADE over OLD TIMER over HONESTEEL
Thong: Clamped
Holes: 2 round
Bevel: Double

Type 2
Stamp: SCHRADE over HS-1 PAT. NO. Over D-227,733
Sheath Stamp: SCHRADE over OLD TIMER over HONESTEEL
Thong: Clamped
Holes: 1 teardrop
Bevel: Double

Type 3
Stamp: SCHRADE over HS-1 PAT. NO. Over D-227,733
Sheath Stamp: SCHRADE over OLD TIMER over HONESTEEL
Thong: none
Holes: 1 round
Bevel: Double
 
"It works well with most blade steels, but I find the handle contrivance to not be rigid enough to be of any help in actual use."

I bought one of these in the 80's that I still have and I found the above quote to be true. I made a rigid wooden handle for mine about a month after I got it. Sadly, I have no idea where the sheath part is now.
 
I bought one of these in the early 80's and still have it.

When I was a kid, I had a half dozen or so Old Timer slipjoints, stockmen and trappers, that I used for whittling and carving. The honesteel would touch them back up to plenty sharp in just a few licks.
 
I have a couple of Walden sheaths and honesteels. You reckon they are proper? Or, have I been duped again?

Thanks, Butch

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They look legit to me. Since steels rarely break, unlike stones, those are likely the original steels that came in the sheaths.
 
Thanks, Bob

I am guessing these were produced around the same time Walden was dropped from the name. I've seen pictures of a steel with Schrade-Walden on it (with sheath same as mine).

Don't know if you can tell from my pics, but one of my steels is thinner with a single bevel. I've read somewhere the thinner, single-bevel is the earlier model.

Now I'm wondering if Walden marked steels are all single bevel.

Butch ** I just realized the info came from Mr. Codger's post. Sorry, sir. No harm intended.
 
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Unless they are acquired new in the box from an old store stock, it is possible for the hones, sheaths and boxes to get swapped around by a previous owner. Heck, it sometimes even happened in the stores. When the name changed, they continued to sell existing stocks of sheaths and knives until they were gone, as the stamping changes were running changes.
 
They are one of the best products that Schrade ever designed/manufactured...I carry & use my 'user' to sharpen the edge of my gold digging pick which tends to go blunt digging on and around quartz rock...Hoo Roo
 
Larry, I thought for sure that you were going to tell us that you used your pick to separate the Ellenville pearls from the Chinese copraliths.
 
Lol...Cal....dont need the pick...but I am starting to go squinty eyed looking at the fine details that matter....Lol...copraliths?...I looked it up and its between copulate and coprolalia...which I thought most apt..copulate is of course to.*..or be *..... and coprolalia is to repeat indecent words over and over as in Torettes, which I also tend to do when I see Chhitshrades...or Willy Wonka Waldens.....or even Effigy Ellenville's......Hoo Roo
 
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