Old Timer USA Lockbacks in Carbon Steel ?

Joined
Feb 16, 2001
Messages
748
Hi everyone - - I was reading through the FAQs, but didnt' come across the answer to this - - I've only seen Schrade + verisions of the Old Timer lockback. (Looking for a lockback Old Timer of similiar size to the Buck 110. Maybe a 7OT if the steel is right ? ) I'd appreciate it if anyone could clear this up for me. Thanks & Best regards, - -
 
the 6OT and 7OT are basically the same knife, the 6OT lacking rear bolsters.
same size as an LB7 or Buck 110. the earlier versions of the Old Timer line were 1095 steel and stamped: SCHRADE. some time in the mid '90s(?) the OT line was changed to the same stainless steel as on the Uncle Henry line and these are stamped: SCHRADE+. however, during this change over period, many OT knives were the stainless steel but incorrectly (not inadvertently as discovered by sleuth Codger) stamped SCHRADE.
the best way to tell is to look at the blade. an older one of 1095 will usually show some tarnishing and perhaps a few minor rust spots (unless it has been buffed). if you watch on ebay for 7OTs and see one where the tang stamp is shown:SCHRADE/U.S.A. 7-OT(the / means over; and the dash between 7 and OT may be present or not), then it is most likely 1095 steel. a caution: there are new ones made in China stamped SCHRADE, but not U.S.A.
roland
 
Sorry, this is not a reply to your question. It is a new question. You guys are so knowledgeable. I'm sure someone can enlighten me.
 
slimknot for starters try to find one. and I'll let the pro's tell ya the rest. And roland good info I wasnt aware of some of that time line stuff etc. thanks - Joel
 
Thanks rproctor for the good info, I appreciate it.

Is the lack of a + as indicating carbon for fixed blade knives too ? I have a 15OT fixed blade stamped "SCHRADE-WALDEN N.Y. USA" and no + and always assumed it was carbon steel. Its been very well taken care of - blade oiled & never used - and doesn't have any rust or blemishes. Thanks again, - - -
 
Mmmmmm.... well, first the 2OT. It is an uncommon pattern which was only made for a short while and in relatively small numbers. It was the granddaddy of the Schrade Old Timer line, one of the very few production Old Timers ever produced with smooth bone covers. Back last century, before Imperial Schrade closed, before Schrade knives had much meaning to the knife collecting world and were by and large ignored by writers of collecing guides, C. Houston Price's 1996 tome ignored them altogether. Jim Sargent, however, showed them and appraised them at $100 in 1986. The much more uncommon Sears Craftsman issue was appraised at half again as much. Here is a post I did about the pattern a while back...
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=466837&highlight=2OT
As you will see, with about a thousand dozen made altogether over forty years ago, there are not many left, and few of those make it to the open market, they being a cornerstone of most serious collections of Schrade Old Timer knives.

As to the steel. Two words to not use regarding Schrade steel are always and never. I have an Uncle Henry LB-7 which was always made in stainless. But it does not have the "+". The Uncle Henry 153UH was always carbon steel. Until they changed them to stainless. The early production 165UH were carbon steel, the later ones stainless. Most Old Timers were carbon steel. Until they changed some to stainless. So... knives with the "+" are almost always stainless. As are knives marked Stainless, or in one instance such as the 41OT, markes S.S. on the reverse. Just because a knife isn't marked "+" does not mean it isn't stainless. Clear as mud now?

Michael
 
Thanks, Codger! You're the best! I knew I could count on you guys to help me out. FYI- a Mint 2OT sold on ebay (no box shown) for $660.00 tonight. Thanks again!
 
Back
Top