Old Timers under the ULSTER tang

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Over the years Schrade has been affiliated with many companies and firms They of course made knives for Sears ( under Craftsman among other lines as well). They also have made knives on contract to almost all of the older companies and just about all the hardware and private tangs that have come and gone. At one time Schrade was owned by the BAER family who also owned the ULSTER knife company. During the hundred years Schrade has been around they have tried various advertising promotions one of these took place in the 1960 tys ( When the old timer knife line was really just starting out. ) This entailed The R J Reynolds tobacco CO and a product they sold called Prince Albert Tobacco. This was a well known tobacco at that time it was sold in a tin, and it was a big deal prank for a kid to call up the stores that sold it and ask them if they had Prince Albert in the can and when the storekeeper said yes the kid would say WELL LET HIM OUT. ( Wow am I getting old anyway ). Schrade put an ad on the tin and a coupon in it, which offered an Old Timer knife ( one of 3 styles) for 2 dollars and I forget how many coupons. So your dad would give you the empty tin, where you then kept you spending money until you had 2 dollars and sent away for your knife. These 3 knives carried the Old Timer Shield and the Ulster tang. If you ever find one of these you should be aware of what it is. Knifeworld did an article on this a while back. I am attaching a picture of a full set.

A few years ago I found out that every so often someone still sends in a coupon and 2 dollars Schrade still sends them a knife. I also miss that we have not heard the Schrade rep for a while I also feel that it is each persons right to there opinion. However there are always circumstances which might not be apparent. Strangly enough when someone says there is a bit to much play or a knife might not be correct, when you talk about Schrades the first thing you are told is send it back they will fix it or send you a new one. I wonder if a buyer gets sloppy import if they send it back to the third world country it came from.

Schrade is attempting to compete in a market that in other countrys virtually uses slave labor. They do it while paying a living wage using American labor and parts. They attempt to do it without cheapening the product nickel silver bolsters and pins. They still make there own sheaths when they could be buying imports made cheaper than they a buy the parts and employ americans to put them together. Presently boatloads of import automatics (switchblades ) are flooding into this country. For years automatics were one of Schrades greatest money makers still they adhere to the law and continue to comply with it. Hopefully some day these laws will be amended . How about leveling the playing field I promise you if you do American labor and spirit will do the rest.

I have read terms like bottom feeders of the industry etc. Ok like I said we all get an opinion. Also perhapes there should be no credit given for some of the things I have pointed out free enterprise says the best least expensive product gets the contract.

All I know is when the community needs a hand Schrade is always there. So are those third world countrys ( with there hand out). All Schrade is guilty of is making a good product that they have to sell in a market that prefers junk at a lower price. The affect of this is obvious in order to survive they must cheapen the product something they have fought off for 100 years. By the way check out where some of those big name so called american companies buy there parts. Believe me if they were totally American they would proudly claim to be.

I sure hope Schrade survives there aren't many like her left. Those who forget the past are destined to repeat it. BUY AMERICAN LT PS I submit this hoping it will be given the courtesy of any other opinion it is ment as that and nothing more.
 
Nicely, lieutenant. Since our moderator, the usually very helpful Tim Faust, seems to have left us, how about you taking over this forum? I've noted over the time I've spent here that you really, really know your Schrades. And obviously you have a passion for the company.

American made: Sure. I agree with you, but having said that, I do have to admit that I sometimes sell an import or two on ebay. And I have noted a real quality change in China made knives. But your argument is a good one, you make excellent points.

Schrades are not one of my personal favorite collectibles, but they are a fine blade and have a rich, fascinating history. And I tend to use them. 'Geo. Schrades' are one of my favorites, and I cannot possibly pass up the chance to buy one of the old metal handled, outdoorsy-engraved hunt/fish knives, with the little locking thumb push on top. Although those knives became 'Bokers' so you may not consider them to be real 'Schrades'.

Again, lieutenant, do consider assuming the moderators' post here in the forum. I'm sure you'd have the support of the rest of us.
 
Phil, You were correct. Haven't heard from you in a while. Yup Rich has been extremly helpful.
I actually had found the forum a year or so ago when I was just starting to look at other collectors but lost the address and my login along the way. Who knew how many of us were out here? I have learned an awful lot in the last year thanks to you, Rich, Robert and all the others. Its a great group. Thanks to all!
 
Thankyou for the positive response to my posting, again it was not written to promote or denagrate anyones opinion but rather to express my point of view. This forum is maintained by Schrade under the Makers/Mfgs section of these forums. I feel it would be inappropriate for me to do anything other than make whatever contribution ( hopefully positive) that I can, the same as any one else. Truthfully my association with Schrade is a bit more than the average since I have written a book which includes a lot of their history. I have also lived in the approximate area of both companies most of my life. I have also known 4 generations of people who have worked for the numerous cutlery companies of this area both past and present.

My main field of interest is in the history of these items, companies and people. I try to explain this segment of our past since I feel that for various reasons ( a bit complicated to go into at this time ) that this important part of Americana is being lost. If something I may be able to add helps in this cause, it is my pleasure. I always try, if able, to answer anything posed to me or related to an aspect of the subject I may have pertinent information on.

In all fairness it is pretty easy to look clever and post some nice pictures if you own all the toys and after 50 years I do have a decent collection. Again please let me know if I can be of help I do love the subject and it is entirely my pleasure. LT
 
I don´t mind buying foreign products of good quality (U.S. is a foreign country to me). Cheap crappy knives are easy to find in Mexico, good knives are hard to find and cost about twice the U.S. price, some of us still buy them, we know what we are getting. This applies to everything, not just knives.

Schrade is a large company and will surely be in business for a long long time, as will many American companies.

Schrade knives are not expensive, in the U.S. many consider them good and cheap (in terms of price, not cheap quality). I got my first in the early 60´s and still carry the same stockman as EDC since 1976, hoping to get a new OT middleman from a relative visiting the U.S. one of these days.

Nice to have you around LT, let´s hope the moderator from Schrade will be back.

I wish I had a Barlow and a Scout like those.
 
Well, thanks for all the good information anyway. But I still think you'd be a great moderator here.

Phil
 
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