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kaos 13

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hi all I'm new but have been reading reviews on here for a years if I have put this in the wrong part of the form feel free to delete.
it is an old British saber made by
T mc bride
Charles.st
Haymarket and Woolwich
I have no information on it really other than it is very well made fishskin and copper grip
it has a star of David with gold or brass centre of star with letters PROVED P in it and engraved in the Pattern is
HONI. SOIT QUI. MRL rest unreadable that is wrote around a coat of arms with a crown above on other side has a design and the words royal artillary any info you can tell would be great been go in round in circles for years with it, no one seems to know the maker T MC BRIDE thanks Tom aka Kaos 13 ( I WILL TRY POST PICTURE TOMORROW )
 
Welcome.
The inscription is 'honi soit qui mal y pense.' Shame on him who thinks evil of it. Its the maxim of the order of the Garter.

Several military organisations in the Commonwealth incorporate the motto inscribed upon a garter of the order within their badges (or cyphers) and some use Honi soit qui mal y pense as their motto. One British military unit to use the maxim was the Royal Artillery, as stated on your sabre.
 
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Lookin' forward to pics.
 
Honi soit qui mal y pense The British motto and coat of arms. "Shame be to him who thinks evil of it" This goes back to Edward III and the Order of the Garter.

The interlocking triangles sometimes seen on older blades made by Wilkinson Sword is a mark originally used by Henry Wilkinson. This mark represents the interlocking triangles of the armourer - an ancient symbol.It was used extensively by Wilkinson Sword in the 19th Century and was widely copied by other manufacturers and as a result has fallen out of use. As far as we are aware there is no association with the Star of David (from Crisp&Sons).

https://victoriansword.tumblr.com/post/142362584896/star-of-david-and-proof-slug-on-antique-british

A close up of the proof disc can often id the actual maker.

Royal Artillery for, ahem....the royal artillery. The blade is also likely etched with lightning bolts and a cannon. Similar in form to the British 1821 cavalry sword.

The only listing I see for the maker of my meager list is McBride&Sons, so I can't really assign a date but likely
1840s-????

There are specialists for British swords at http://www.swordforum.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?11-Antique-amp-Military-Sword-Forum

Cheers
GC

A listing (sold) for an &son sword
https://stewartsmilitaryantiques.co...rs-sword-mcbride-son-london.28017.archive.htm
 
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thankyou for the interesting information I have took lots of photos but can't seem to put them up.
I was a saber fencer and have had the old sword since I was a kid think it came from a relative and it's never left my collection but I had no idea of the information that bladescout and hourseclove provided meany thanks
tom aka Kaos 13
 
register at imgur.com then get the share links listed as bb codes and post them up.

Alternately, register at swordforum (the link above) and upload/attach directly.

Or send them to me at gcleeton@gmail.com and I'll post them but the experts are at swordforum.

Cheers
GC
 
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don't know if that worked
 
horseclover thank you for all your help I think I got the pictures to you by email and if you want to post them on sword forms that would be amazing I am a cave man with computers lol if you want anymore pics let me know
thanks again
Tom Kaos 13
 
I can't see it on the blade but you should see a two letter monogram on the blade with GR or VR, depending on George IV or Victoria. The proof plug should make it Victorian but I don't know how to better date it without the appropriate texts. Everything says earlier than later but 1840s-1850s would be my guess/hunch. It is in nice shape.

Cheers
GC

PS
uploaded to SFI. Give it some days. You could also ask the blog guy linked above.
http://www.swordforum.com/vb4/showthread.php?120086-Thoughts-On-A-British-1821-Artillery-Sword
 
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thankyou for all your research and information just good to finally know a bit about the sword
Interesting the fellow sword enthusiasts on sword form found T MC BRIDE as I have never found any info on him or any other swords made by him the swords come out of hibernation and having a good oil today
 
I wonder how people get these kind of swords they are simply amazing!!! I wish I had one similar like it... and by the way thank you for enlightening my knowledge with the information.
 
it is a lovely sword mate someone trying to buy / trade it off me but not sure if I want to part with it but it dose not get the appreciation it deserves it comes out one every few months for an oil and admire it then back away so its hard to decide what to do
 
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