older fix blades help identify

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gonebad395

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Hey guys I know these are over 39 years old because I remember looking at these as a kid and my grandparents house. After my grandfather passed I got all the knives from the home. My grandfather wasn't a collector he was a knife user. Value isn't important I just would like to know anything anyone here knows about them other then what limited things I could find online my self ty in advance.







That's the first one.





 
Thinking about taking the bottom knife and rehandleing it since it's faux stag and the steel seems like good steel
 
The top knife is from Western's Black Beauty series. I received a similar knife for Christmas in 1966, so that gives you an approximate era, they were a popular series at the time. Yours appears to be the Bird & Trout blade design (the model number should be stamped on the blade guard). The bottom knife was made in Solingen Germany where there were many makers of knives - I know very little about German knives, but several collectors here will give you some information. Good luck in your quest! OH
 
Hey man ty so much I couldn't find anything on it like that world's of help again ty
 
The larger of the two knife set appears to be patterned after the Marbles Ideal, which was a popular pattern.

I can't quite make out the details of the tang stamp. If you were to provide a clear shot of the stamp, there are those who might be able to ID the maker. Also show the pommel of the knife from the back so as to show the method of attachment.

In the 1950s a fair number of German knives were imported into the United States, not fancy, but quite serviceable. Yours might well be such, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to say for certain.
 
The Solingen set is from the 1950 to 1960's. The hand with three arrows is one of two symbols for PIC they were a merchant or Import company. PIC stands for Precise International Co. The other more well known symbol for PIC is a Mountain with a Pic struck into it.
Most Solingens were Stainless - although the earlier ones ( 1950's) you would come across the Carbon Blades a wee bit more often.
 
here is a pic of the pomel and the mark is a fist with three arrows so how would I figure out what kinda steel it is and would a rehandle be practical?
 
The smaller knife is most probably a replacement, quite often in the "piggy back" sets the washer and spacers were matching, and not often would you get such a variation of Stag between the two.

Check my earlier post on the Makers Mark.

Your Pommel is the same as all the Solingen "Bowie" knives, - what they call the "Rats Tail" Tang with a Thread cut at the end of the Tang so the Brass Nut could sit inside the Aluminum Pommel. Your knife hasn't been tampered with at all, Note the Brass Nuts slots are untouched- usually these are scarred from attempts to undo the knife or tighten the nut.
At a quick glance the Blade looks to be Carbon, but a test with Vinegar or Lemon juice as these will stain rapidly the Carbon more so the Stainless.
 
Hey you have been a great help now it's on to deciding what to rehandle it in. Maybe a feathered birch or a curly maple
 
Looks like a hand with three arrows, so should be a "PIC" or precise Import Company, who imported all sorts of knives from Germany. John
 
I used to own a lot of these - so What I did was get an older pair of long nose pliers and file then down so I could get a nice snug fit, when you do get a good fit you may have to use a Screwdriver in-between the pliers tongs - as close as possible to the nut to help as a torque wrench - to help slipping a burring the nut - the better you get a fit with the time spent of you shaping your pliers the kinder you will be on the nut ( which can be tidied up after you remove it anyway ).
I used a bit of locktight on the nut when I placed it back.
 
The Black Beauty is an F48B. It was the "mid-size" bird and trout. The smallest was the F28 and the largest was the F48A, with a 4-1/2" blade. The handle materials are aluminum and black phenolic plastic. The letter in Western's model numbers indicates the handle material. In this case, they used "F" for "fenolic", as they had already used "P" for plastic" for the rainbow hued B&Ts P28s, P48As/Bs

If the stamp is on the guard, it is post-1968. If it is on the pile side ricasso, it is between 1955 and 1967.
 
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