One Hell of a day! Khuk material included....

Don Rac

Don Rac

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Haven't posted here in a while, been busy, but today is definitely a day I need a break. I was up in northern San Diego, helping out my mom with a new retirement home she bought as a business. The day began with me clearing out a branch from an orange tree, simple enough for my Siru to handle. As I was cutting down branches to size to fit in a garbage can, I hear my little bro screaming and running down the hill that makes up the driveway, chased by 2 dogs. One looked like a Labrador and the other something else. He said he went up to get the mail and they burst out running towards him barking. Well, instinct took over when I saw him trip and fall out of his shoes, literally. I ran up as fast as my short legs could pump, Siru in my right hand, and me yelling as loud as I could, ready to do whatever was necessary. The dogs turned tail and ran. My bro was safe, but he ran into a truck belonging to the guy who was installing a wheelchair ramp. But get this, my mom and her co-worker, were more concerned about me going to jail because I ran after dogs with my khuk. I was willing and ready to defend my bro. I would never let them get a hold of him, especially since those dogs weren't supposed to be allowed to roam around like that near a board and care facility. They even chased him INTO our property, INTO our driveway. The only recognition I got was from the guy installing our ramp, I got a lecture from the others. I've been bitten by a dog before, only playfully, and I wouldn't want to know what an angry dog can do. Well, that's my day in a nutshell. BTW, they guy installing the ramp saw me taking apart the bigger limbs with my Siru, and he asked what kind of knife it was. I told him I'd get ahold of him with more info and gave him a brief explanation about what they were and where they're made. This is before the dog incident happened. Hopefully he'll wander in here too and get ahold of a model or two. He correctly said though, that they looked like "warrior knives". Couldn't agree more.
 
I'm glad to hear that neither you, nor your brother, were injured, Don.

I'm also glad that there was no need to injure the dogs, either. Do you know who happens to own them? Sounds like someone needs a social call, though it would probably be best if you didn't make your point by waving the Siru under his nose.

S.
 
That's the difference a state line makes - my old boss 25 years ago loved birdhunting with his dogs but carried a rifle in his truck on his way to work to shoot at any dog packs he spotted on what was semi-urban/BLM land. Many of the dogs went back home at dinner time ( but not if he had his chance with the 270 ). He felt he was protecting the deer, birds, and kids in the area.

Have I really spent the last 25 years without a good scoped bolt action centerfire? There was the 25-06 befre that and then the the CZ mannlicher 223 I had to trade before the scope rings came in most recently, but there were always pistols and revolvers and AR/AKs that took priority. How did that happen for so long? ( Now I remember - there was that 308 40XB(R) pillar-bedded with rail and handstop, bipod, & 3x9 Leupold with & sling and Federal hpbt ammo ) sighted in, ready and waiting in it's case ( just in case ) for maybe 10 years there. )
 
Your boss was right Rusty, a pack of dogs can take down a deer by running it to exhaustion. That may be part of nature for true wild dogs[1], but for domestic dogs running free it is really bad, since the dogs have "3 squares a day" waiting for them back home and can hunt with no concern for the energy they expend.

[1] There's a very good series of books by Peter Capstick on hunting in Africa. In "Death in the Long Grass", he says that the packs of African wild dogs are among the most fearsome predators he's seend working, and that he has never seen an unsuccessful dog attack, compared to many failed attacks by lions and such. Also IIRC, he says that prey animals run from the dogs no matter what as soon as the dogs are spotted, while other predatory animals like lions are cautiously watched until the predators really attack.
 
Glad everything turned out for the best concerning Don's day.

I've never been much for shooting dogs ,or cats for that matter, though they can be a problem at times. I guess it's a matter of circumstance and perspective, so no criticism intended here. I tend to blame the owners of domesticated animals more than the animals for problems they cause.

Thanks mPisi, for the interesting tidbits from Peter Capstick. Wild dogs are a whole different story.

I guess the main reason I'm adding to this post is that Rusty got me lamenting the departure of my last scoped centerfire rifle, an old Savage 99 in 300 Savage. That was a pleasant shooting beauty.

Regards,
Greg
 
Ripper, that was on a subdivision backing onto BLM forest with owners leaving the dogs out to literally run in packs while they were at work.

I wasn't talking about a pair like Don Rac saw, but consider the situation recently in San Francisco with the dog mauling death. If an attack had taken place it's likely someone could/would easily have been really badly hurt. I salute Don Rac for putting his safety in jeopardy to rescue his brother.

To do what he did and then catch he** from those two older ladies assuming he was at fault, incredible.

I pulled into my driveway and was put back into my truck a few months ago. A few minutes later I grabbed a flashlight and went looking for the dog. I didn't find him but I made a point of extending my right hand with pistol in it ahead of my left hand holding the flashlight as I walked up and down the street for 4 or 5 houses each way. I think the dog's owner must have seen me. I never saw the dog loose again and they moved the next month.
 
Hi Rusty,

Understood and as I said "... no criticism intended."
I really meant it. Please read that I have never had the need to shoot a dog myself. If circumstance deemed it neccessary, I would do it.

Likewise, hopefully, no criticism of Don Rac's day was implied.
Just the opposite, his actions (reaction?) are very laudable.

Glad you weren't injured and things resolved themselves with your
inconsiderate neighbors.

...and thanks for reminding me of a favorite companion I toted over the Arizona desert a decade ago.

Regards,
Greg
 
I've seen videos on the Discovery Channel of a wild dog pack that was hunting in Africa, all they did was chase a marked animal until it got tired and after that the rest was pretty much easy for them.:eek: Our caretaker met one of our other neighbors who are apparently close to the family that owns the dogs. They said that the family was away on vacation, and they were apologetic and genuinely worried. We got their number in case we see the dogs again. It's a beutiful little place though, and our current on-care residents are very, very, nice people.
 
Originally posted by Don Rac
Haven't posted here in a while, been busy, but today is definitely a day I need a break.
I was up in northern San Diego, helping out my mom with a new retirement home she bought as a business.
The day began with me clearing out a branch from an orange tree, simple enough for my Siru to handle.
As I was cutting down branches to size to fit in a garbage can, I hear my little bro screaming and running down the hill that makes up the driveway, chased by 2 dogs.
One looked like a Labrador and the other something
else.
He said he went up to get the mail and they burst out running towards him barking.
Well, instinct took over when I saw him trip and fall out of his shoes, literally.
I ran up as fast as my short legs could pump, Siru in my right hand, and me yelling as loud as I could, ready to do whatever was necessary.
The dogs turned tail and ran.

My bro was safe, but he ran into a truck belonging to the guy who was installing a wheelchair ramp.

But get this, my mom and her co-worker, were more concerned about me going to jail because I ran after dogs with my khuk.

I was willing and ready to defend my bro.

I would never let them get a hold of him, especially since those dogs weren't supposed to be allowed to roam around like that near a board and care facility.
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Good on you Don!!!! That's one of the problems with our country today in that people are afraid of what's going to happen to them if they defend themselves or others.
I can understand your mother's concern but we all should make the right stand when the time ever comes.
There's been a couple of times in the past that I've been put in a position to where doing the right thing would put my family in danger and that was the choice I had to make.
It's never easy to put one's family or one's self in danger, but the line has to be drawn somewhere and if it isn't me then who is it gonna be?
Fortunately the matters were handled properly and in one case there was justice done and in the other the young fellow thought better of tangleing with an old Turley hood.
Sometimes it's nice to have your reputation proceed you as well as in the memory of some nice upstanding people, well at least they are now.:)
And don't have any misconceptions that I am or ever was a bad ass. I wasn't and am not. Sometimes a reputation is just that and nothing more.;)
 
Originally posted by Yvsa


the line has to be drawn somewhere and if it isn't me then who is it gonna be?
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Hehe you're damm right about that Yvsa! I also agree about the reputation business, it can and does help.
 
A few years ago, a friend who raised sheep for market called me and asked if I would bring a gun over to her farm.

It seems a group of loose farm/house dogs had formed a pack and gotten past what was thought to be a dog-proof fence to the sheep pasture. They savaged the sheep! They apparently ran them down, ripped at the throat and belly, pulling out entrails. Then...they went after another sheep. I put down two sheep that had been lying, alive-but-disemboweled, for hours until she found them. Three others were found dead.

This had nothing to do with hunger, just the chase instinct.

It's not uncommon in rural Wisconsin. In this county, part of the dog licensing fees go to a fund to reimburse dog predation. The farmers aren't worried about the growing coyote population, but loose dogs...especially in packs...are automatically shot at, and killed if possible.

But this is the country, and dairy farmers have a value system that doesn't involve a Walt Disney sense of 101 Dalmatians. If something is a real threat to stock...their diminishing livelihood, it is eliminated as soon as possible.


Kis
:rolleyes:
 
I would have done the same thing, laws be damned.

Two wounded/dead dogs do not equal one mauled little brother.
 
..and that you did not have to act past what you had to. And Glad you were armed thusly if you'd had to act.

Keith
 
I would like to know if the 'wild dogs' of Africa are a different type, like those of Australia, or just domesticated dogs turned wild.

I've noticed hunting that whenever farm dogs show up the deer run no matter what. Heard a shot and a yelp once so someone didn't appreciate that.

munk
 
Good stuff and thanks. In this sue crazy society it does make you stop and think before you lend a hand. I've read the horror stories of the Good Samaritan who stopped to help and ended up in court -- and some even lost the battle in court!

Our concept of justice has gone to hell since I was a kid.
 
Originally posted by Bill Martino
Our concept of justice has gone to hell since I was a kid.
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No it hasn't. It's just self selecting. People get tired of fighting a losing battle and find places to move to where justice is still the status quo. Outside the cities in small town Idaho, Montana, Nevada, etc. To find out if a place is worth living in check out the Sherrif's Office. If it's full of Law Enforcement Officers, move on. If the Sheriff and most of his deputies think of themselves as Officers of the Peace, buy property.
 
Here in Santa Fe County, NM and probably state wide, if your animals are being molested or you and yours, you have the authority to kill on the spot.
A couple of years ago, just around the corner, one horse was ruined and another mauled pretty good, by a pack of domestic dogs. Big old uproar. The dogs were eventually tracked down and disposed of.
Up the road, neighbor has a rotweiler and sheppards. Always leaves his gate open. They like to come out and challenge. So far, a walking staff pointed at them like a rifle has worked. But next time I'll have my .357 and a Khuk with me. As long as the .357 is in plain sight, I'm OK. No CCW here right now. Was approved by the State Legislature and signed into law, but was thrown out by the State Court.
 
I want to eventually be a cop, and alot of cops that I've talked to know whats happening, and they really wish that people would step up and arm and protect themselves. I remember them saying that we've become too much of a "911 society", i.e. even if you're in the process of being killed, they (the Cali government, the media and all other Liberals at large) still expect you to call 911 for help instead of toasting someone, even in self defense the family can sue you in Civil court for saving your own life. You have a good chance of winning, but even if you do you're still going to be alot poorer because you'd have to pay a public defender. The justice system is becoming more and more about PR and appeasement, instead of justice and upholding what's right, and if the need pops up, heavy doses of self sacrifice in order to defend people and keep them safe from harm. I know, it sounds idealistic. Seriously though, the only reason I lke it here in San Diego is because of the weather, and the relative closeness of everything fun and amusing to young guys.
 
Nice going Don, I would've done the same thing.:)

Kmark said exactly what I was thinking:)
 
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