One stockman (or cattle knife), three springs ;)

quattromori

quattromori

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Hi folks,
just a quick question for you stockman fans.
I'm considering getting a stockman (or cattle knife). Now, I know that many "stockman purists" love the two springs configuration, and a bit of crinking in the sheepsfoot and spey...but for my purpose it needs to have three springs, and the sheepsfoot pivoting at the same end as the main blade.
I know that the current Buck 300 series models (301 and 303) have three springs (although the sheepsfoot is on the opposite end).
But what about other brands? Queen? Canal Street? Case?
If I remember correctly, the Case humpback stockman has three springs (not sure if this applies for both versions - spear main and clip main). What else is out there?
So if your stockman fits the requirements (or you know about one), please let me know :)

Fausto
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Case 3/5/6347 is a 3-spring Stockman.

The Case Humpback whittler has 3 springs, but I believe that the Humpback Stockman only has two (though I may be wrong there, I don't own one). I found a Youtube video that compares the 6347 and the Humpback stockman - it shows only 2 springs for the Humpback Stockman. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNqx_Qn_NKU
 
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Personally not real fond of the 3 spring version, not sure why though. I like 2 springs and don't mind the slight krink in the SF blade. Why does the Sheepsfoot need to be at the same end as the main blade?
 
jc57 said:
Case 3/5/6347 is a 3-spring Stockman.

The Case Humpback whittler has 3 springs, but I believe that the Humpback Stockman only has two (though I may be wrong there, I don't own one). I found a Youtube video that compares the 6347 and the Humpback stockman - it shows only 2 springs for the Humpback Stockman. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNqx_Qn_NKU
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John,
it seems I was wrong on both models :p and I'm glad the serpentine stockman has three springs ;)

Fausto
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Some of the Case 3347 knives are three spring. At least mine is.

The Case humpback stockman has two springs, but the blades are not crinked. They are offset.
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The Case Sowbelly is likewise a two-spring knife with offset, rather than crinked, blades.
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Older Case 47 pattern Stockman knives have two springs. I'm not sure exactly when they changed to three springs, but I have a 1995 6347 with three springs and a 63047 made in 1978 with two springs - best I've found out is the change-over took place in the early to mid 1980's. There are two modern Whittlers (similar in size to the 6380) made on the 47 frame that I have seen; a wedge-spring design made in 2000 and a straight three spring design made around 1994 - they make a cool carry knife. I would guess Case changed to three springs to make building many variations on the frame easier with more standardized parts. L-R in this picture 1998, 1995, 1978. OH

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Thank you for your feedback folks.
Now I need to find out about their medium sized (3,5"ish) frames.
I assume that all other brands only offer a two spring version... :o

Fausto
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quattromori said:
Thank you for your feedback folks.
Now I need to find out about their medium sized (3,5"ish) frames.
I assume that all other brands only offer a two spring version... :o

Fausto
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The 47 is the only current Case stockman with the three spring construction. All others in the stockman configuration have two springs. Case did for some time make the 33 pattern tiny stockman with three springs, but they have gone back to two springs on that one. All 3.25" and 3.5" models (087, 44, 18, 032) have always been made with two springs.

On the 47, I believe that 1993 was the year that they switched over to three springs. I know it was the early 90's not sure of the exact time though.
 
The GEC 79 (3 blade) Montana Pattern of the Workhorse Whittler is a 3 spring with half-stops. It is a very capable knife although does not a have a spey blade.

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Thanks for your feedback folks!
It seems that a Case 47 might be the only answer to my question :)

Fausto
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Resurrecting my own thread (not too old though... :rolleyes:)
So, anyone has a picture of a Case humpback whittler to share? Preferrably showing the spring construction from above?
Thanks folks!

Fausto
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I know this one doesn't meet your specs but I thought it's just kind of a cool knifes with the three full springs. :)

The 2010 Railsplitter from S & M. Quite a little chunk in your hand but makes it nice to hang onto.
 
quattromori said:
Resurrecting my own thread (not too old though... :rolleyes:)
So, anyone has a picture of a Case humpback whittler to share? Preferrably showing the spring construction from above?
Thanks folks!

Fausto
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I no longer have the knife and couldn't find an old photo of the well but here are some other angles in case it's helpful. It's a nice knife and I like the as ground blades on this one. If it had a sheepfoot or coping blade, then I would have kept it.


 
@quarttromori; "it needs to have three springs, and the sheepsfoot pivoting at the same end as the main blade." Snap! as requested .... but its the only one I can find in my collection that meets your exact criteria. (I have 70 + Stockman knives)
This is a "Colonial Prov USA"
 
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quattromori said:
Resurrecting my own thread (not too old though... :rolleyes:)
So, anyone has a picture of a Case humpback whittler to share? Preferrably showing the spring construction from above?
Thanks folks!

Fausto
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Case Humpback Whittler? Sure, I have one with a few pics of it.









Not sure if that's what you were looking for but those are the only pics of it I have.
 
John, Your Case Humpback is a FINE looking knife - the blade swedges really stand out nicely - I might just need to find one of those!

Fausto, I can attest to the greatness of the Buck 301 - in my rotation is a modern 301 (three spring) and a modern Case 6347 - they are equivalent in quality and usefulness - I've never had an issue with the location of either Sheepfoot blade (my most used blade). I lean to the 6347 due to the round bolsters being ever so slightly more "fitable" on a 3-7/8" knife in the front pocket. OH
 
The humpback is a good one, and you can always regrind one of the secondaries into a sheepfoot/coping blade.

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Thanks for the replies folks!
Jeff got very close to what I have in mind.
I think the Case humpback whittler could be a good basis for modding it into a two bladed jackknife with a sheepsfoot/coping secondary blade. That's why I need the sheepsfoot to pivot on the same end (like in the Case and Colonial patterns posted above), or with a nail nick placement that allows for a "pivot inversion" and end up on the pile side. I know Boker produced basically the same knife I have in mind; I was just considering alternatives :rolleyes:
I do like Buck knives (I had a 303 and carried it for a while), but their sheepsfoot is on the "wrong" side for this project. As for blades pivoting on opposite ends, the 2015 BF knife is my best choice without a doubt.
Thank you again :)

Fausto
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