Ontario Bagwell Bowies - Any QC problems?

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Hi all,

After reading up extensively here, I recently purchased an Ontario Bagwell Fortress Bowie sight unseen from an online dealer. Knew I liked the design, and hadn't heard any reports of problems...so I was fairly confident doing that.

When I received the Fortress, I was at first glance happy with its fit and finish. Fine for a production knife, I thought, until further examination:

1. A series of small dings and scratches on the flat of the blade...exactly as if it had been dropped or banged against another metal object a number of times.

2. Most surprisingly: the blade, guard and handle were not lined up. When looking lengthwise down the top of the knife from pommel to tip, I found that the guard was about 5 degrees out of alignment with the blade, and the handle approx. 15 degrees. It was as if someone had taken hold of the handle at the factory while the epoxy was still wet, and given it a good twist to the right.

3. Several of the silver pins in the coffin handle were not fully "in", but stuck out enough to slip a thin flat-head screwdriver underneath.

Again, I've no illusions about production knives, and I know that imperfections, particularly cosmetic ones, fall through the cracks of even the best QC now and then. But an inability to line up a handle and a blade...that seems, well, excessive.

I returned the knife to the dealer, who gave me an immediate refund. I like the knife, but hesitate now to get another one from this line (at least without personally inspecting it first).

Anyone else with similar experiences? Was this just a fluke? Your input may help me decide if I'll try again.
 
I have had many, many Ontario Bagwells pass through my hands for setting up in one of my Southern Comfort sheaths since they started making them, and quality control is NOT a problem in general. I also have in excess of 20 of them on hand now for package deals (knife with SC), so I've probably got more experience with them than anyone outside of Ontario Knives. While any manufacturing process will have an occassional glitch, Ontario does a heck of a job on their Bagwell series. I think you just got an abberation, or one that had been knocked around in the dealer's display. As far as blade-handle alignment goes, looking from the top, the blade will appear to point just ever so slightly to the left on most, but not all. This is in the design and has to do with putting the point where you look when giving a thrust (for a right hander). Bill Bagwell makes his customs slightly pointing one way or the other according to whether you are right or left handed. Isues I have seen are: the very first run of the Hell's Belle had problems with the clip not being sharp enough (does not need to be razor sharp, though) - hasn't been a problem in years; two Midnights that where losing the black coating - replaced by factory; and one Midnight with a clip that was too dull - again, replaced by factory. In general, The Midnights will have a slightly less sharp clip than the Fortresses (because of the black coating), but this is easily fixed if you think you need it sharper. Sorry you got a bad one, but definitely take another look. They are worth it if you are into fighting Bowies.
 
Thanks for your gracious reply, Mr. Sastre. With your level of experience, it goes a long way.

I'll consider the last knife a fluke, and give it another whirl.
 
Glad to help out! The Hell's Belle (Midnight and Fortresses are Belles too) is a great fighting design and Ontario executes it well. I've got a little video clip of Bill Bagwell cleaving a peice of 16" 2x12 endwise with an Ontario Hell's Belle - pretty impressive!
 
Before getting my Ontario Hell's Belle (with one of Mike's fantastic Southern Comfort sheaths!) - I had 2 previous Ontario Hell's Belle's that "squeaked" when you swung them sideways. Apparently there was a batch that had some issues with epoxy holding them in.

The only issue with my current one is that the finish looks pretty "rough" satin finish whereas the previous ones I had were almost mirror like in finish.
 
Mike Sastre said:
I've got a little video clip of Bill Bagwell cleaving a peice of 16" 2x12 endwise with an Ontario Hell's Belle - pretty impressive!

Usual construction grade lumber is extremely easy to split in 2" stock, you could do that readily even with a moderately powerful 7" blade if you swung from the shoulder, even sitting down.

-Cliff
 
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