Ontario Rat-1 Re-Review (Updated after extensive use)

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Two months ago i got myself a RAT-1 and did a review over the course of a couple days.I had a lot of good feedback on that review but i felt that it was not enough considering i had just bought the knife so here's an update. During that time i cut a ton of Cardboard, some thin plastic (Milk jugs and such), and a bit of wood.

The results were as expected, the RAT held up nicely. Shortly after the head of one of the pivot screws snapped so i sent it in for repair. I was sent a whole new knife.

Two months of hard use and abuse later, this is how it has held up.

NOTE: I don't intentionally abuse my tools, i love them all (especially my RAT). Tools are just that... tools, and tools are meant to be used. So, with that out of the way here's how it is now.

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I have cut A LOT of cardboard, paper, wood, thin metal sheeting, Various thicknesses of plastic (and a lot of it) Ranging from very thin packaging to medium thickness straps and thick plastic storage bins. I've had to punch through metal cans, sheet metal, i've had to use the tip as a screw driver, i've opened a few cans with this knife. I've even performed minor surgery with this knife (No shit, seriously) I have broken many of my own knife rules simply because i know that this knife could take it. Here's the results.

Let's start with how the paint wore. The pocket clip has worn pretty bad but in my opinion it looks pretty bad.... ass..... pretty badass.... so i kept the paint on it.


The paint on the blade did not wear as well as i had hoped so i ended up stripping it off.


The head of the pivot screw stripped and the other snapped after tightening them back down dozens of times and disassembling the knife for maintenance about a dozen times. I found short computer screws fit perfectly as replacements.


I have over a hundred screwdrivers, bitdrivers, bits, etc. but a couple times i didn't have access to any and had to use my RAT as a screwdriver (I know... it's sad, and breaking my own knife rules but you gotta do what you gotta do) I ended up snapping the tip twice. I ground it back down to a usable, pointy, and stronger tip. Here's the new blade profile.


The Nylon 6 handle scales have held up amazingly well. There's barely any noticeable wear on them.


Lockup has suffered a bit but is still rock solid at about 80% engagement.


Final notes: This knife has been put through A LOT in a short period of time and is still a tank, sharp as a razor, and my favorite knife. My RAT is at my side every second of every day and has never failed me. One thing i forgot to take pictures of is blade centering which is still perfect. It opens as smooth as the day i got it although i did have to polish the washers once and clean and re-oil it many many times. I hate for my knife to be less than razor sharp so i've sharpened it more than necessary and have had to remove a lot of metal to get rid of chips and dings in the edge.

All in all... my rating is pretty much the same. Considering the price i'm gonna stick with a 9/10.... I would like to give it a 10 but there has been one thing that has bothered me about this knife. The detent ball does not spin and has stayed in the same place. This has caused it to wear down, creating a flat surface, and therefore increasing surface area contact between itself and the blade. This increases friction during opening and closing and a slight metal on metal grinding sound. Detent has suffered. If i hold the knife closed with the spine of the blade facing down and push down and stop abruptly the blade will swing out all the way into the open and locked position. Also, if a heavy wrist flick is applied the blade can be opened without use of the thumb studs. I do not recommend wrist flicking any blade, though as it puts unnecessary stress on the pivot, blade stop pin, and locking mechanism.
 
Glad you're liking it and thank you for the update. You said that you've disassembled and reassembled it a few dozen times in the course of a few months. Is that par for the course with your knives, or do you find yourself doing it more often with the Rat?
 
I find myself doing it more often but only because i enjoy it. I maintain my tools well (especially my knives) and this is the tool that i use most. What i'm saying is... I disassemble it more often than necessary but simply because i enjoy the process and the outcome of keeping it clean and well maintained. i would say that if i never disassembled it until today it would still function fine. Simply squirting some oil into the pivot every now and then would be enough but the action wouldn't continue to be as smooth.

I've seen some people saying they have problems with blade centering after reassembly and i've found why. When reassembling you have to make sure that the washers are in the right position to fit onto the pivot when you push the liner and scale back on. It's hard to do because the fit of the parts has very little wiggle room.
 
Thanks for your review and thoughts on the RAT 1. I'm not usually too interested in "value" folders but when the RAT 1 came out I always thought the ergos, FFG clip point blade, and general utilitarian shape of the RAT 1 was interesting and seemed like a lot of knife for the money, but with a 3.5" blade, exceeded my 3" max preference for EDC knives. Then presto...the RAT II appeared on the scene a couple of years back and I picked up a plain jane version (black scales/satin blade) right away for approx $27.

As soon as I got it was immediately impressed with it's lgt. weight, F&F, lock-up, blade centering, etc., and although the place I bought it at the time misrepresented the scales as G10 so I was a little disappointed at the Nylon scales but meh...for the $$ no biggie. The glaring problem, at least for me on this particular copy, was a lock-bar that was already at about 95%?! Too much for a brand new knife even for $27, so I sent pics of the late lock-up to Ontario in NY by email to see what they thought...and after a few exchanges on what to do about it since I said it would cost me too much to pay shipping back on an exchange for such in inexpensive item to begin with...that if I were forced to pay anything, I'd just forget it, and keep the knife as is.

With that, a really nice marketing guy, who's name escapes me, told me to forget sending my RAT II back and sent me a brand new RAT II hand picked by him with nice early solid lock-up and I had it in a few days at no cost to me. I was so impressed at this level of cust. service on par, or even exceeding the excellent service I've recvd' from BM, Spyderco, and KAI in the past that I sent him a gushing "thank you" follow-up letter since I was so astonished that he and Ontario would do this for me.

In the last 2 years have used my RAT II pretty hard as a yard work knife with plenty of abuse with prying, hacking, digging in the mud hitting the edge on concrete and although a little beat up with a grittier piviot, it is still brought back to shaving sharpness with little effort, and is still centered, and (haven't taken mine apart) but the pivot is still as tight the day I got it, and it stiil deploys faster than almost any other folder I own! Staggeringly good folder for the money with adequate steel, solid construction, simple but elegant design that disappears in the pocket, carrying very well, and backed by an "American treasure" of a company with stellar customer service...what more could one want or ask?!

I have rarely, or perhaps ever, spent so little and gotten so much for my money plus met a really good guy in the process....can't recommend this knife, brand, or company any higher...just exemplary in every way!
 
Thanks for the reply, Knolan. I know there are thousands of videos, reviews, and recommendations for this knife and it's smaller counterpart but i cant seem to get enough of hearing about how people love it. I'm sure i'll own a RAT II some day as a backup blade to my RAT I but sadly I can't forsee being able to afford it for a while.

The customer Service of Ontario is exceptional. I snapped the head of a pivot screw on my original RAT (an easy fix) and they just sent me a whole new knife. Tomorrow i'm going to call in to see if i can get a couple replacement screws for my current RAT. I don't mind using computer case screws and they are simpler considering they are not Torx but i have a dozen Torx 10 drivers and bits so it doesn't bother me but I like the look of the black screws. I've never had any problems with the Spydercos i owned and have never had a BM so I can't attest to their customer service but I'd say Ontarios is on par with KAI (I've reviewed their service before), they both get A+ ratings from me. The only knife company i've had service issues with is sadly Cold Steel but i still love the knives they produce.
 
I've got an update. The lockup problem i was having turned out to be the stop pin being dented from being opened so many times. I switched two of the pins and the lockup is now solid at 50%. I'm amazed, to be honest, because that's as good as the day i got it.
 
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