i was raving about my esee 4 my wife doesnt know about my 3 or the 6 on the way, and i called it a rat knife. well today she gave me a ontario rat 3 and i compared it to mt esee 3, and wow the difference is night and day esee's quality control is outstanding compared to ontario. im happy my wife was listening when i was talking knives so i dont have the heart to tell her that it kinda sucks but now at least i can take out my 3 get rid of the ontario 3 and she'll never know.