Gentlemen I have some good news. I managed to convert several members of my scouting troop to becoming carbon steel loving Opinel users. Here's how: The troop was making lamps out of oranges and some of the boys needed a knife (not all of our boys have the Totin' Chip yet) and that's where things turned. I handed one of them my Opinel #6 after showing him how it worked. He was blown away. He could not believe how sharp it was and how simple the lock was to use. This of course generated excitement among the other boys in the troop. I also showed them how easy it was to get sparks from the rod in a magnesium fire starter with it v.s. a knife of a very high end stainless. Again oohs and ahhs followed. When they learned the price of my #6 they were shocked. I think our troop is going to be carrying these along with some SAKs from here on out. In fact, I know this is now the preferred knife among the boys in our troop due to all of the chatter. It all comes down to circumstances. Our orange peel lamps worked just fine and fun was had by all. There is hope gentlemen, there is hope!