Opinions please...

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Johan

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Hello all! I need your valued opinions. Listen to my tale of woe: About a year ago I bought a MT SOCOM. Loved the knife! Recently I noticed that the action was getting a little loose. I don't mena sloppy. I mean the pivot was so slick you could snap it open with the slightest flick of the wrist. Unfortunately, I'm in Canada and knives that open with a flick are illegal. This isn't a problem for the most part because almost all of my folders have an adjustable pivot pin. Tighten it up, no more worries. However, the pivot pins on MTs are not adjustable, they are done at the factory. So, I sent off my MT to get serviced. They didn't fix the old knife, they built me a brand-new one! Customer service or what?! But even though they increased the tension, it still flicks open too easily (you can hold it about an inch down from the pivot point and flick the the blade with no problem). So, here's my dillema: Do I keep the MT (I love the knife, but I'm a little worried about carrying it; in the eyes of the law it is a restricted weapon) or sell NIB and use the money for something else, like a Sebenza? Opinions please. Thanks in advance. Humpty, if you read this I already know your opinion-buy a Sebenza
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Well, it might be a good idea to sell it. Depends on the other knife you want. You might want to consider banging the pin lightly with a hammer; that's what someone recommended I do when I had the same problem (well, blade play, not legal problem). I will say, though, that that is excellent customer service!!!

Howie
 
Johan,
I think I read once that to tighten it up you must tighten the screw nearest the pivot screw.
I did sell/trade mine for Sebenzas.
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Sounds like good service though!
 
If you're NOT gonna carry it, or be worried about carrying it all the time, I'd sell it.

I have both a SOCOM and a Sebenza, and I'm happy to carry either one.

So sell it - don't worry, be happy
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Merry Christmas!


Nick
 
Hehe, well I think you should! :P j/k

But if you don't want to risk it, I would either keep it in collection and not carry it, or sell it for another knife that youc an carry. It's a nice knife, just don't take that risk ifyou think you might be caught.

And WOW, that is great serivce!

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If you truly love the knife, keep it.
Get a sebenza for your daily cary.

I would not sell a knife that I loved just because I can't cary it. If I did, I would be running low on knives
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Johan, is it possible that the SOCOM is exempt from that silly law due to the fact that the knife isn't designed to flick open?

Here in NJ any knife that opens by inertia is pretty much outlawed, but linerlocks sell like hotcakes and we all know how easy they are to open.
I even have an old Buck 100 that I can flick.

Perhaps I'm in denial, but I have no fear that the law's gonna be after me for a kinfe with a loose action.

VG

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Nah, he's right. Being able to snap it open is not cool. But Jonathan, every knife in your collection can be snapped open easily. Why the concern over the SOCOM?

A. Dale McLean
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MT or Sebenza, hhmmmmmm, haven't seen one of these threads in a while
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. Personally, I'd go with the Sebenza, but then again, maybe that's just me.

Joe
 
Well Johan I say keep it if you really like it. I would be hard pressed to find any folder that could not be flicked open, in fact I just tried it with my mighty Sebenza (not that I have a need or desire to do so again, I just wanted to prove a point) it was not easy but it was possible.

I do not have a Socom to compare it with but I would definitely recommend the Sebenza... but that is another thread.

Finally if you do decide to keep the Socom just don't go out of your way to show the Mounties your new "trick" and try not get into any altercations with it. Besides maybe there are some Microholics out there that can help you with your dilemma.

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Wow! Okay let's start from the top:

ThomM-I'll try that screw next to the pivot
pin (anything is worth a try)

Humpty-Loan me a Seb!
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Louis-Yeah I know, some of the best knives
aren't exactly loved by the LEOs

VG-Up here it doesn't matter if the knife was designed to flick open or not. If it does it's illegal.

Dale-Yeah, I can snap open all of my knives
(he'd know, he sold me most of them
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but the SOCOM is the ONLY one I can't adjust. I can make all my other knives
tight enough that they won't snap open.

After listening to everyone's opinions. I'm leaning towards keeping it. Dale probably knows if I sold it, I'd only be ordering another one from him. Anyway, thanks for all the opinions-keep 'em coming.

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Johan....

Hows it Go'n Eh!

As far as being able to flick the knife open,, you will find that 99.999% of the "new" tactical knives on the market can be flicked open, not to mention a good majority of other folders..

Unless you are in a serious situation and stopped by the police a lot,,I wouldn't worry about it much.

And IF you ever get charged,, you might use the fact that 99.999% of the folding knives can be flicked open as your legal defence. If they are sold here in Canada,, they shouldn't be illegal.

You are at the mercy of the particular officer at the time,, so if he's in a bad mood,,or hell bent on charging you,, a Swiss Army knife will get you in court under the right circumstances.

As long as you are being carfeul with it,, and not flashing, flicking open the knife in public,,you won't have a problem...

Keep the knife,, and don't worry about the tightness of it.. I don't think it can be catagorized as a gravity knife anyway...
If it is,, then I know a pile of people who carry and sell illegal knives!!!!

Take Care Eh you Hoser, and have a Great Christmas...

Eric...


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I'd have to say that my run in with the Canadian authorities was a pleasant one.

On our way back to the states, my buddy was driving and pulled over to check the map. I was rummaging around the back of the van getting a canned Lipton Iced Tea out of the cooler. (And hiding all our Cuban cigars.) I noticed a car pulling up behind us, then a second car, then the disco lights started.

The officer told us that he was just checking on us and since he saw me rummaging around the back in a cooler, he though I was getting a beer. (There's this cool "zero tolerance" thing about drinking and driving up there.)

He asked the typical questions.
"Where ya from?" "Indiana"
"Where ya goin'?" "Back home"
"Where ya been?" "London, Ontario"
"What for?" "Sightseeing."
"Why London?" "Heard it was nice from a gal that my buddy knows. She used to live there."
"Any open booze?" "No sir"
"Any firearms?" "NO SIR!"

Then he see's a stray ear plug on the floor (in plain sight). And his whole body goes into red alert.

"What's that?" "It's an ear plug."
"What's it for?" "I use them when I go shooting."
"Uh huh.....hmmm......got any guns in the vehicle?" "No sir, we left all our guns back home. We knew it was illegal to carry them here like we are free to back home, so we left them. I even looked in here for loose ammo before we left."

He settles down a little bit and the cops that have been talking to my buddy come over to my side. They all talk quietly for a few minutes and compare our stories. Then my cop walks back and see's the pocket clip on my Buck Crosslock.

"What's that?" "Buck Crosslock" (as I hand it to him)
"Seems like a nice knife" "Not bad, I've got some nicer ones."
"Feels good, SHARP TOO!" "Yeah, you like that? I've got about 3 or 4 more of those at home if you'd like that one. I buy, sell, and trade knives."
"Nahh, that's ok" (handing it back)

Then he sees the pepper spray in the console.
"What's that?" I hand it to him.
"Equalizer...Pepper spray?" "Yes sir."
"Hmmmm....you know....this stuff is illegal up here." "Wow! Hmmm, you need to confiscate that?"
"Nahh, just tuck it under your seat so they won't see it at the boarder." and he hands it back.

After handing our ID's back, he says "You guys have a safe trip!"

Now I figure that considering he could have searched my van (which was about half full of crap), confisacted my knife, my pepper spray, and/or thrown me in jail, things turned out pretty good.

The term we like to use around here is "Officer Discretion."
 
Alright everyone, I made my mind up. I'm keeping the knife. Thanks for all the opinions and The 4th, I'm glad you had a good time in Canada. Cold though ain't it
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"Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heav'n"
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Does a pair of razor sharp skates qualify as a weapon up there?
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I just cut myself badly on my hockey skate, so I couldn't resist asking! Stay out of the penalty box, eh! Merry Christmas and a happy Boxing Day too!
 
Hi Johan,

Good for you!

I hate Canadian laws! They have to many and most are senseless.
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Not that American laws are anything to be bragging about.
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Arrgh!
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Don't get me started!
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Well, congrats on keeping the knife anyway.

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Later,
John
 
If you can flick a SOCOM, you will definately be able to flick open a Sebenza with ease, straight outta the box.
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Almost all folders can easily be opened with just a flick, especially if they have a liner lock, integral lock, or axis lock. I'd say sell it while it's new and buy a Sebenza for sure. If you really want a knife that won't flick, get a Benchmade 750 Pinnacle and tighten the pivot on it. Take care.

-AR

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Geez John, I wouldn't have guessed you liked the new smilies
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Jackyl, I've already got a 750 and tightened just so-I love that knive, very underrated! What I do with most of my knives is tighten them up until they won't flick open. Some have said that they're too stiff. But I have pretty strong hands. When I was in B.C. I went to the Science Center. My friends and I were fooling around with some of the machines and one of them was for measuring how much pressure your can exert in a handshake. The average pressure for someone of my age was about 40-50 kilograms per cubic centimeter. I posted 97 three consecutive times-I did not cheat either. The machine only goes to 100. As such, "stiff" is a relative term.
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"Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heav'n"
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There are only two types of people; those who understand this, and those who think they do.
 
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