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Busse007

Busse007

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To my Busse and kin family. We've seen some really awesome threads lately and I thought I thought I would share my toy. It just got back from armacoat. Specs are as such:

Daniel defense upper M4V5 in 300 aac blackout
16" barrel soon to be trimmed to 12.5
Suppressor to cap end (fake unfortunately)
12" rail
Lower is armalite with a magpul str stock
30mm adm scope mount



Also I'd like some opinions on scope. I will update thread later with ammo specs and such. Thanks in advance.

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for a 300 I would definitely say a 1-6 of some sort like it's set up now but if your going to chop it. a 1-4. we shoot my buddy's 308 in a 10.5 inch barrel out to 700 yards all the time. 1-4 will get you there but a 1-6 gives you a bit more. vortex pst for the 1-4 line is a great choice but if you have some extra expendable cash then the vortex razor 1-6 in a larue or bobro mount. or a super sniper 1-4/1-6.

Honestly it all depends on the roll this rifle set up is being used for. I know range duty but there is a lot more to it than that imo. shtf, sdm set up ect ect. budget the whole nine is really needed :)

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M67 was right the link was not complete.

the role i wanted for this rifle was to be able to reach out effectively to 3-400 yards with good cqb capabilities.

I have been looking at the Vortex PST 2.5-10x32 FFP scope. I really like it but apparently vortex does not ship the moa reticle to canada, only the mrad. Makes things tough as i'd have to learn a new system.

As mentioned, i am having the barrel cut down to 12.5" and adding a suppressor. For the time the suppressor will be fake, however i will have a fully funtional insert ready for that shtf scenario. It is extremely illegal to have a functional suppressor in canada, thus the reasoning for the two inserts (one fake one functional). This leads to my next topic; Ammunition.

I intend to run both subsonic and supersonic.

Supersonic - a 150gr sierra matchking with 15.5g of IMR 4227 and a CCI primer. this should push approximately 1800fps and has been touted as the most accurate loadout for the 150gr.

Subsonic - 208gr hornady A-max with TBD (supposedly 10-11gr) of IMR 4198 and a CCI primer. Im hoping to achieve 1020-1035fps (keeping it just inside the subsonic range).

I have been told by several sources that full burn occurs in just 9" of barrel so the need for lengths longer than that is purely cosmetic (i know that this isnt totally true).
 
Busse007 said:
M67 was right the link was not complete.

the role i wanted for this rifle was to be able to reach out effectively to 3-400 yards with good cqb capabilities.

I have been looking at the Vortex PST 2.5-10x32 FFP scope. I really like it but apparently vortex does not ship the moa reticle to canada, only the mrad. Makes things tough as i'd have to learn a new system.
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FYI my 2 cents better to learn mrad anyway especially if you are serious enough to go FFP. Either will get the job done, but it seems all the serious/competitive shooters use mrad. Just try to go on s-hide and sell a moa scope -- can't do it, the serious guys won't buy it.
 
grunt soldier said:
pics are working for me
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Busse007 said:
M67 was right the link was not complete.
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Yeah Pat, bastard

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I have a 1-4 Vortex PST with capped turrets (MOA only), like it, the glass is clear, but personally I find the reticle a little hard to pic up, wish it was FFP but that would increase the cost of the scope a good $150. Nice scope, but that being said, it's going on a S&W M&P 15-22 when it gets here (it's a spare scope at the moment).

I also have a 1.25-4 Trijicon TR21, glass is amazing (like every Trijicon I've handled), but it has a triangle post reticle which is great for target acquisition and rapid shots, but nothing precision since there's no marks to go compensate for drop or windage.

For a 12.5" barrel, I think a 1-4 would be just fine, a 1-6 may be overkill in terms of weight increase (just shy of a half pound increase in weight, Razor vs Viper) and I think the reticle in the 1-4 PST would be better suited for your needs because of the reticle having more compensation for drop. I however have never shot a 300 Blackout at 300-400 yards so I have no clue how far it drops. I've only shot it a couple times suppressed with subs at 50 yards on in

Leupold also makes some nice 1-4s and 1-6s, and every now and then you can find a Nightforce 1-4 used (AFAIK they discontinued it a couple years ago).

One thing with 1 power optics, and it's an anal, depend on the shooter thing, is if you want a true 1 power on the low end, a 1.1 power, a 1.25, 1.3, or 1.5.

Some companies advertise 1 power on the low end and it's actually 1.1 or 1.2 (in Leupold closer to 1.3)

True 1 power makes everything look a little smaller than normal. 1.1 is scaled properly, other powers you notice some scaling differences more. Depends if you can shoot with both eyes open, how you brain reads the reticle and the magnification differences, and if you actually care.

that being said, on the low end for my TR21, I usually just leave it at 1.5 power to match my ACOG.
 
GRRRR...my cell phone post didnt post!

Grunt- i love the vortex line. The razor is definitely on the radar.

Mach5- We dont have access to us optics here. as said previously i love vortex optics. As for mrad...well moa is still the king of the hill here. this rifle is not for competition so i'd prefer to stick with moa. i know it without thinking about it which makes it faster for me. I may choose to go mrad one day but that day is not this one.

M67- i have vortex mounted on most of my ar's and love them, just want something different (magnification, manufacturer, options or a combination). Im not a fan of the trijicon triangle..not for me. the leo's, well leos are pricey for what a guy gets from what i see.

I have been checking out the nightforce nxs compacts... drool worthy for sure.

thank you for the input thus far, i welcome and consider all recommendations.
 
The Nightforce might be an option then.

Or the Leupold Mark 4 MR/T, 1.5-5 power and you can get it with a 300 Blackout reticle (cost definitely increases with that option though)
 
with the leo, id be worried if i decided to change the load parameters the reticle would be useless. ill have to look more into these.
 
Garth, Thanks. That means a lot coming from a guy who makes steel into art. I'll post pictures when all the furniture is on.
 
TR24 doesn't offer any reticles (IMO) that are good for 300 BLK at distance. The German reticle and the duplex doesn't have any drop compensator and he doesn't like the triangle (which is great for 3 gun or close range hunting)
 
I was looking into trijicon... love the 3-9x40. problem is the tube is 1"...who the f*** makes a 1" tube? its the only scope they make thats a 1" tube, all others are 30mm. My scope mount is a 30mm so i am limited to 30 mm tube.

The trijicon 1-4 - What M67 said. I'd use the 1-4 triangle if I was using this rifle for 3 gun (no hunting with ar's in canada).

I have a local dealer looking into a vortex 2.5-10x32 FFP Moa for me, should hear back today. If i can get it, it'll be a go. Of course, I am still looking at nightforce... more like dreaming about nightforce.
 
Could always use a set of GG&G or Larue 30mm reducers. Personally, I think I'm done buying 1" scopes and 1" rings, I'll just use 30mm and if the need be just use reducers to get them to 1"
 
Didnt even know of such a thing. Larue and gg&g arent common brands up here.

That said I do prefer the 30m tube. Not particular reason other than all the rings I have are 30mm
 
Larue mounts are some of the best imo. Been useing them on most of my builds for a few years now.

Garth
 
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