OT:Advice on trip to Italy

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My wife and I are going to Italy (Rome, Amalfi coast, Pompeii) next month and I was wondering if any Cantinistas have any advice? We haven't been to Europe in a million years, so it's virtually a new experience for us. :confused:
 
My family are from Southern Italy, I could help you out if you were going to Calabria :)
Enjoy your trip, be safe. Pompeii is amazing, I've always wanted to go there. Take photos and share!!
 
I've never been there myself but here is some quick advice from a friend of mine who goes there frequently:

"There are great things to see in Pompeii. Rome wasn't built in a day and you can't see it in a day so give yourself extra time there. Depending on how long you're there, if you have time try to see both the North and the South, it is like seeing 2 different countries. If you are in the North visit the Emilia-Romangna region. Beautiful and it is close to Venice which won't be there forever, as the tide creeps higher every year and eats away at the lovely art and buildings."
 
You'll be going during the fall, which is a lot milder than the fall season in Chicago. It does rain sometimes though, so be prepared clothing wise... I'd get an elementary "Italian for Travelers" type book, and try to get somewhat comfortable with counting, asking for basic items, etc.

You'll be going to a region with a lot of places to see including Napoli itself, Vesuvio, Herculanum, Pompeii, the Phlegrean Fields, Capri, ......... It would be hard to give recommendations as there's so much to see and do, but this site (available in English) can help you decide what you'd like to see and do. http://www.dentronapoli.it/ This will keep you busy at least for a few weeks! ;)

For major excursions, you can rely on your hotel to offer them in their package deals. If you're a bit adventurous, you might want to purchase a map of Naples as soon as you're in the city. (Any newspaper stand will carry them). A lot of places you can find yourself; you'll save money, and you'll get to intermingle with the Napolitani, which should be part of any vacation experience. The Napolitani are very gregarious, but have a reputation for fleecing tourists, so you have a caveat to remember. You'll find Italians to be really nice people, and are very helpful with tourists, even if you don't speak the language. Again, walk around the city, and get a bit of the sights, sounds and flavors of the city. There are more churches than McDonalds here too, so if you like to see them, they're waiting your perusal...

Also, beware of pickpockets! Get you and the Mrs. those neck carry document holders which carry cash, etc., and are worn under your shirt. Keep your passport in the hotel's safe, and carry a photocopy with you with the phone numbers of your hotel, local police, etc., etc. Bring American Express Traveler's Checks, and carry them and small amounts of cash. Leave your Patek Philippe and bling bling jewelry at home!

If you're really adventurous (read REALLY), rent a car, and get the AAA International Driver's License before you leave. Driving rules are forgotten once you are within Naple's city limits, as in most other places here too! It is great to have a sports car here though! :D If you are pulled over, Italian police are very nice, and will not come across like their New Jersey Highway Patrol cousins! :rolleyes: Be careful too while on foot in the city; try crossing the white lined pedestrian crossings!!! :eek:

Pizza was invented in Naples, so ask the locals where the best pizza is to be found. Order the Margherita, which is pizza with mozzarella and tomato sauce. Naples make the best mozzarella around, so also order a Caprese with one of your meals, which is a salad consisting of alternating slices of tomatos, and Mozzarella made from buffalo milk, with salt, pepper, and parsley. You can order buffalo mozzarella pizzas, but the cheese it a bit watery, so many prefer the normal cow's milk mozzarella. While we're talking of food, the seafood in Naples borders on the spectacular. A plate of Spaghetti with "Frutta di Mare" (fruit of the sea [mixed seafood]) is incredible! The wines are also excellent, and you can ask while there which ones to try.

If you get bored in the part of Italy in which you'll be visiting, Rome is only 2 hours away by train, and will keep you occupied for any remaining portion of your trip! :D Have never received feedback from tourists who did not enjoy Italy, so I'm sure you will have a great time. Personal tip-- Do NOT walk around with any of H.I.'s products in hand... If you'd like any specific advice or additional help, post here, or send me an e-mail!

Buon Viaggio!
 
DrDan said it all - been there, done that (even driving in Napoli...) twice.
Amalfi itself is very nice, the road along the costa amalfitana is wonderful - if you do not have to drive it by night (it is quite narrow, follows the rocky coast into every small canyon and you meet crazy bus drivers, ignorant tourists on foot, by car and on "motorini").

You may want to visit the "grotta smeralda" on your way trom the nord towards Amalfi or the "grotta azzurra" on the Capri Island. both are caves you attend in a rowing boat and definately worth a look but the grotta azzurra is expensive and filled with too many tourists if you ask me.

On the Piazza Duomo in Amalfi you will attend concerts or other things. The "Torre Saraceno" Restaurant in the south of the city, right beside the mainroad is expensive but quite good.

The coast and the beaches are very nice but you may have to walk down hundreds of stairs to reach the water - do not forget anything you need in the hotel...

However Capri is a very nice island (you reach it by motorboat from Amalfi)- but there are more tourists than on Ischia - and the nature there is wonderful too.

There is a boat line from Sorrento - Amalfi - Positano (even nicer than Amalfi) - Capri - Iscia. It is not too expensive and you can reach a lot of wonderful places

The view from the vesuvio is great (you can drive up most of the way but have to walk the last 20 minutes or so (it is very dusty) and can see the whole gulf of Naples). You do not need the walking sticks they will try to sell (or lend...) you there if you are in average shape.

Naples/Napoli is a bit chaotic but that is part of its flair. You will find the beautiful places yourself, there are plenty of them. In the museum of Naples there are lots of artefacts from Pompei

In Rome traveling by bus can be recommended - but beware of pickpockets - especially if you take a line coming from or going to one of the airports. The Musei Vaticani are always worth a visit (plan a whole day), the Villa Giulia is great if you are interrested in etruscian art. The catacombs (sp in English?) near the Via Appia are very interesting but bring along a jacket or pullover - it is cold where the Romans were buried... The bus line that leads you there starts from S. Giovanni in Laterano - that is where the pope had his palace before St. Peter was built.
The colosseo is best visited if you join a group - or you will have to wait an hour for tickets or so. The forum romanum in the evening is a wonderful cool down from the day. Do not enter the place of the Fontana di Trevi in the evening, it is overcrowded. The "Roman soldiers" take a high charge for being photographed with tourists (usually 5 Euros per pic) - ask before you take the photo!).
Just ignore the foreign men who will try to sell you roses for your wife (Spanish stairs), toys for the children (spanish stairs) or hats and bags (near the Castello S. Angelo) if you can - the are a own kind of mafia. Enjoy shopping in Rome, there are some high-end malls (near the spanish stairs for example) but even shopping in the other areas is fun.

Pompei is wonderful (and as dusty as the Vesuvio) - you will be there at least for a day if you take it serious. Make sure to park your car at a guarded place (maybe expensive). Take a tour in the morning and discover the other places in the afternoon. Make sure to take enough water with you, there are no beverages (bibite) sold on the archeological site.

On your way from Rome to the costa amalfitana there will be the abbazia (abbey) of Montecasino - the oldest one in the western world, founded by Benedict of Nursia in the 5th century. It had been destroyed by the allied airforce (who thought there were German troops within the abbey) during the second world war and built up according to the old plans after the war. They have wonderful illuminated books from acient times - they close the door from 12 to 3 p.m. I think - so make sure you about 3 p.m..

There is a cause why there are so few McDonald`s in Italy - it is the panino - kind of a sandwich/breadroll which you get with ham (prosciutto crudo or cotto), tomatoe (pomodoro), formaggio (cheese) and so on. It is sold hot. For lunch I recommend these snacks instead of some crappy tourist lunch near the mainroad. In the evening you can use the money you saved by eating panino and go to one of the exclusive restaurants.

oh - and do not ask what else to visit there - I studied history and I could not find an end...

Bye,

Andreas
 
great info, guys.....soooo tempting.


Brian - we're all jealous....:D
 
Pan Tau said:
I studied history and I could not find an end...

I never would have guessed, Andreas! :D Many Germans consider Italy "der Garten von Europa", and they are everywhere here, especially in the summer.

Before the Italians adopted the Euro, there were approximately 1,927 lira to a dollar. When the change took place, MANY businesses, supermarkets, etc. merely calculated 1 Euro for 1000 lira, totally confusing Italians, who had a bit of a hard term getting to think in terms of Euro dollars, cents, etc. It was supposed to be illegal to kack up prices immediately after the change, but most businesses did it anyway... For other Europeans, the changeover did not "cheat" the citizens... There was a lot of howling once the Italians realised what had happened, but nothing was done.

Consequently, many Italians don't have quite the lifestyle they used to, and go on vacations once a year instead of twice, eat less in restaurants, etc. Even the Germans are going more to Spain, Portugal, and Greece, where the prices are better, and a vacation package has more value for the money.
 
Yes... I know Dan.

But many of us Germans just like to lay around at the beaches of the "teutonic grill" in Northern Italy (Bibione, Lignano, Caorle ...) and very few of them really meet Italians there - or really learn the language. I was a pupil at a Grammar school when a teacher started a "scambio scolastico" with a teacher from Bassano del Grappa. Francesca, the teacher from the Italian school (liceo sperimentale G.B.Brocchi) later changed to another school in Castelfranco Emilia but I still write to one of my exchange partners who now lives in Padova.
As I studied ancient history and worked for some time in Aquileia with the Gruppo Archeologico Aquileiese I was shocked about the ignorance some tourists (not only Germans but also Britisch or US) come to Italy as a country they think is retarded in some way - and everyone is supposed to speak their respective language - and if nonno does not understand - say it again, just louder....
However Italy is chaotic - which I love but bureaucratic (even more than Germany - I guess you know...) on the other side. I think I will live there sooner or later - The German foreign schools are seeking teachers for their schools - and Scandinavia, Canada and Italy are among my favourites. I let you know when I arrive.... :)


Andreas
 
Many tourists don't even try to speak the language, but fortunately the Italians are extremely tolerant, and help all the time. The same tourists would not get the same hospitality in Paris...! :D :eek: I even know a couple of American doctors who don't have a good grasp of Italian after a few years. Thay're quite happy I'm sure, that hand gesturing is frequently used!

I really like the Italians, as I've sure you do. Despite the bureaucracy, confusion, and lack of organization, it's a great place to live, even for super organized folks like us! ;) They're even very pro American, which is an added plus for yours truly. :rolleyes:

While I'm here...

Costantino's troops against Massenzio's on the banks of the Tevere near Ponte Milvio has been painted by many artists. Are you looking for any particular artist? I believe Raffael painted this theme...

P.S. You'd surely be a welcome addition to the population here!
 
When I was in elementary school, I used to get beat up by a couple of Italians. To protest this, I no longer eat any pasta, and would refuse to buy a Ferrari if I had the money.

Are my economic sanctions working? :rolleyes: :)
 
Thanks for all the help, Dan and Pan. We have been studying Italian a bit, and reading whatever we can find. Part of the trip is an organized tour with cooking lessons from 3 different chefs. That's what sold me. ;)
Can we get American Express traveler's checks in Euros? We plan to take some Euro cash with us so we don't have to mess with banks right away.
What are the knife laws? I was hoping to buy a switchblade :cool:
 
yes, you can get cheques in Euro. Exchanging them can be sketchy though, mostly only banks will take them, and occasionally for a few. It is not as accepted as it is in Germany or the States.
 
Bri...

Knife stores are officially not allowed to sell switchblades, but I've seen them offered "behind the counter" as it were... In Napoli, I'm sure you won't have any problem finding a tourist knife or two. ;) Ask one of the clerks in your hotel where there's a well known Coltelleria (knife store). Just to be safe, don't carry it concealed while you're in Italy.
 
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