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In what I feel to be some of the most important news in years- if not all time- humans have been cloned. Ironically, the cloning is not the focal point of the controversy, which is why the cloning is happening...which is as a source for stem cells.

In John's book, cloning research = good. Growing children for exploitation (in this case, harvestation) = bad. :(

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4244988/
 
This technology has good points and bad. Good points- possible use in replacing failed organs in people that need a transplant, or have damaged body parts, such as spine or bone marrow.
Bad points- I'm not so sure that someone may not try to play God and try to grow a human being.
Growing body parts is one thing, growing a potentially flawed human is another. The technology is not fully developed enough to clone a perfectly healthy animal, much less a human.
At what point do you shut down science, and the search for knowledge? At what point does that search cross the line of morality? Is there a line we should not cross? I'm sure I don't know, and I'm willing to bet that many arguments will be waged on this issue.
 
Of course they're going to clone humans. And if we get to where we can grow body part, someone's going to grow a human. But here's the scary part; we could call him Adam.






munk
 
I dont mean to upset anyone, but I actualy am for cloning.
And I am not jolking I actualy have been saving money up these last few years to be cloned.
My reasions are very simple. I cant reproduce, so to carry on my geans I am left with only that option.
And I was born 2.5 months premature. As I was only expected to make 5'0" and made 5'11". I have always wondered how I would have turned out if my gestation time was proper. And as such the typical "fear" that I would be making a carbon coppy of myself is nonrelavant.
I dont have any spiritual neagatives about cloning. And have even talked to my spiritual advisor at length about it. I believe that regardless how a human is made God would not allow an inocent to be born minus the Soal.
I again apologise if I insult anyone, this was not my intent. I just feel strongly positive about cloning.
 
What I find funny is people who believe that they can have friends or relatives cloned, so that they can have their parents or back. Yeah, fair enough, but the problem is your parents will be brought back as newborn babies, will be brought up totally differently and will not be the same person. Someone should explain that to a few people (no offense intended to anyone round here, just heard a rather funny item on the radio where someone demanded their father be cloned).

I was wondering, at what point does a bundle of cells become Human? What I mean is, if you changed the DNA even slightly could you prevent the embryo from being human enough for people to care? The other thing is, I don't get the point in cloning full humans, you can not produce a fully identical clone of someone unless they have literelly just been concieved (thus actually it is impossible unless it is an IVF) otherwise the child will be older than the clone. The only benefit is for those who can not reproduced, now that is fair enough, but one must wonder why they must get a clone? Since they are going to need a human uterus in which the baby can mature why use cloning? Why not IVF?
 
Cloning is a bad idea. With repercussions we cannot imagine.

But it will be done anyway. :(

Remember the original idea behind the atomic bomb? Look where we are today.
 
Originally posted by Ben Arown-Awile
The original idea behind the Atomic Bomb was to blow up Japan and win the War. It worked.
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I agree.

Now look where we are today.
 
I agree with Semper fi the future is bringing more hazard. It's the way it is, and we'll have to survive or not.

It's a surprise to me I agree the Beenaround about the atom bomb.
But we haven't seen the last of it, either in accidents like Russia's or in 'incidents'. Wait a little while. A terrorist someday will detonate one in a fine location for disaster.




munk
 
A nuclear detonation somewhere is inevitable. The weapons are wide spread and the construction technology is available.

It is simply a matter of time.
 
Actually the A-Bomb was designed to be dropped on Germany, it was only after VE day that the decision was made to drop it on Japan (which caused problems for some of the scientists who had used ending the holocaust as a moralisation for designing such a weapon, what with many of them being Jewish, since the war was over they had to rejustify things to themselves). I agree though, what with the number of weapons out there it is inevitable that they be used at some point. What was it Einstein said? 'I don't know what weapons WW3 will be fought with but WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones!'
 
Originally posted by Semper Fi
Now look where we are today.
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The fault lies not with Technology, but with it's misuse, especially when driven by motives of profit and domination.
However, those societies who never developed an evolving technological understanding are either extinct or exist on the fringes of the "Third World", dependent upon those who are technologically advanced.
 
you need to read it with more detail...


Reproductive cloning has still not been achieved. That will take some hoop-jumping to pull that off.

All they've proven is that they can jump start embryonic cell division. There's still much more to do.


That said, I think there is a lot of misunderstand concerning cloning. Just because you have a copy of a persons DNA, that doesn't mean "equal". It still only means "similar". In fact, you have a better chance getting "equal" from a mother having twins than any scientist will ever be able to recreate. Reason? DNA evolves.

Your DNA is not a copy of your parents DNA. Sometimes, it's wildly different. More than that, DNA is only the base on which you grow. It's like planting 2 identical apple seeds next to each other and expecting the branches, limbs, and leaves to look and grow exactly the same. (OK, that's a bit too simplified, but get the idea anyway?)

Personally, I feel that cloning is leading down the path to "societal homogenization" and degeneration. Having 2 DNA combine and create 1 resultant DNA is what makes life interesting. Repeating someone's DNA outside this process degrades it. This is a proven fact. Perhaps there's a solution out there...



...I'll believe it when I see it. ;)
 
Someone I'm close to said this: It is a morality issue. A matter of right and wrong. The old feeding on the young. Sometimes pragmatism and logic go too far. Cannibalism has popped up in many cultures at many times. Always with some sort of rationale.
Catholics used to run around killing and torturing non-believers. Of course, this was the right thing to do.
Women in Islamic cultures are typically treated as second rate. Refused educations or basic human rights. Of course, with sound logic behind such treatment.
Children used to be treated as possessions. Abused as the parents saw fit. Why not? They made them...
There was a point in time that it seemed quite logical to keep slaves. Why not? They were, after all second rate human beings, right? That was the accepted line of thought. Why not use them to your advantage? I see no difference...
 
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