OT -deactivating your pet cobra

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There's a procedure now for surgically removing the venom glands from poisonous reptiles that reclassifies them as "venomoid" or without venom.

For the man who has almost everything--- how about a Black Mamba ---not a UBBB!!!
see here:
http://www.venomousreptiles.org/classifieds/detail/9103?venomsid=a71e477a8d3e94cb6cff80c52900ef80

Excellent color photo description on how to:
http://www.venomousreptiles.org/articles/55?venomsid=8ef6b0caba7bcc5fe1752e21485eaaa9

google"venomoid" for more details
 
Ok, I'm in a hurry, so I didn't check the links, but what do you feed a de-venomed snake? The venom is a fairly important part of their digestive process. :confused:
 
Dunno, but i figure it'll probablly be akin to cutting the corn off a cob for old people. :rolleyes:
 
MacHete said:
Ok, I'm in a hurry, so I didn't check the links, but what do you feed a de-venomed snake? The venom is a fairly important part of their digestive process. :confused:

Feed'em the same stuff :D
 
OK, found my answer. (sorta) Long quote from the article:

First and foremost, venom is used to secure or immobilize a prey animal. Secondly, certain enzymes in most venom composition aid in the actual digestion of a consumed prey item. For example, when a snake that has hemotoxic qualities in its venom bites a live prey animal, the venom attacks the blood and live tissue, and after being carried throughout the body via the bloodstream, begins the breakdown of many systemic processes. This will immobilize the animal, and also effectively turn its insides into mush, making it a more easily digestible meal. It cannot be proven which action of the venom is actually most important in the mind of the snake, although we can assess that when a venomous snake bites and releases a prey item, the snake will follow instinctively with the intention of consuming a meal. But it is well accepted that most venomous snakes do not strike previously killed prey items with the intent to envenomate them, as the animal is already immobilized. Instinct apparently doesn’t suggest that venom is needed every time a snake consumes a meal, or they would also bite dead prey in the same manner. Further, the digestive properties in venom are comprised of many enzymes that break down proteins, and most animals produce these same enzymes. These components, being so commonly produced, must be considered ingredients that partially make up animal venom. This is not because it is needed to aid in the digestive process, but more because the same compounds utilized in digestion are also being used to quickly attack and destroy the systemic integrity of a prey animal, effectively immobilizing it as soon as possible. Venom is not necessarily unique in its chemistry to other actions in a creature’s body, but is utilized as venom because those components are available, being already produced by the body.

So, the theory is, venom may not be crucial to snake digestion. I'm curious about this, because there are six or seven Copperheads, two Eastern Diamondbacks, two Timber Rattlers, two Southern Pacific Rattlers a Dusky Pygmy Rattler and a Cottonmouth living in a room in my basement. I know my little brother (who owns this rather unusual menagerie) visits many of the "hot herp" discussion boards, so I'll ask him about it when he gets home. My gut tells me he's not a fan of the idea, though. ;)

Yaj, a lot of people who do keep big cats as "pets" have them declawed, and file down their fangs. An animal so 'altered' has no chance of surviving if released in the wild, compared to the slight chance that an animal raised in captivity would otherwise have. :grumpy:
 
MacHete said:
Ok, I'm in a hurry, so I didn't check the links, but what do you feed a de-venomed snake? The venom is a fairly important part of their digestive process. :confused:


Not to mention the venom makes swallowing the prey considerably easier and safer than if it were alive or unparalyzed. Since snakes aren't scavengers, feeding seems a big problem.

Maybe the owner buys venom (from the guy that defanged the snake), injects mice or whatever, and drops them in the cage??
 
Does this mean that the next time I'm at the Night Market in Taipei I can't get Cobra Venom sacs mixed in blood and rice wine?
 
OK, the resident expert in my house is against it. (No surprise) He is of the mind that it is unnecessarily stressful to the snake, and an undeserved crutch for people who should use better handling practices.

I've helped him handle them on ocassions when he needed more than two hands for things like force-feeding and probing to determine sex. I will admit to an elevated heart rate and adrenal flow during these procedures, but it was exciting rather than frightening. I am comfortable handling them using the proper protocols, and I suppose safe practices should be sufficient to minimize risk. If the question comes down to the elimination of risk, versus the well-being of your captive snake, I would say "get a different pet." :rolleyes: YRMV.

Danny, there were several times in my childhood when my Mom would see a snake in the yard and catch it with her bare hands. She would put it in a garbage can until my Dad got home from work to tell her what kind it was. Yeah, my Mom rocked! :cool:
 
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