OT: der Pabst is installed today

kronckew

kronckew

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a few observations made on the way to work tonite:
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1. The Pope - Habemus Papam

I can hear her indoors shouting even as i type - "BASIL, DON'T MENTION THE WAR!"

However i can't help myself, being politically incorrect is instinctive.

anyway, we now have an ex-wermacht/jugend korps member taking the place of a pole, so, big deal, not the first time this century a german has taken over polish occupied territory.

i personally think they should have elected a hebrew Rabbi, they then could have started singing Oy Veh Maria

Pabst Blue Ribbon?

2. Bicyclists

coming in to work tonite about 7:30 pm, i passed two bicyclists (one adult one child ) at different times, it's about an hour before dark, on a twisty country road in england, so it's just wide enuff for two mini-cars to pass & the one was dressed all in black, the other in grey, no lights - do they have a death wish? (if so they could try wearing a dark green camouflage suit & paint their bikes green also) i'd be wearing florescent yellow & international orange with red & white LED's blinking along with a few thousand candlepower front & rear lights, ah, well another pair whose swim in the gene pool will be cut short. like that guy in the bear thread on round 2.

3. Drivers, all women tonite - WHY do they insist on pulling out of side streets right in front of you then slow down to 2/3 the speed limt when there was no-one behind you? ARRRGH! just made it to work on time.
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anyhow, the above is my personal observations based on a well-known eccentric mentality & if i have offended anyone - tough!
 
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I understand that your post is on the lighter side and the new pope being a conservative man of the church is seen very critically by (the majority of the liberal) German catholics - but one thing disturbed me a bit:

even the Sun-tabloid that titled "From Hitler-Youth to Papa-Ratzi" and called the new pope "ex WWII enemy-soldier Ratzinger" mentioned that Hitler-Youth was compulsory when Ratzinger turned 14 in 1941 - as was to be a soldier when he was 17. He was brought up by anti-nazi parents and as a soldier guarded a BMW-plant. He deserted later. I saw a street interview recorded in London where some told the reporter "they should not have elected that nazi".
If the former Polish pope who suffered from the Nazis during his time in a secret seminary in Poland chose him as his closest coworker and personal friend who is the "Sun" to title like this? Kraut-bashing must be fun...

but then - who cares.

The Bavarian Minister-President (male, catholic, married to his fiirst wife) will have to become the next chancellor of Germany before the pope visits the country - Schroeder, the present chancellor is divorced, the foreign minister married to his fourth wife, the boss of the conservative party a protestant woman and the liberal´s boss is gay- there has to be some kind of person to welcome the pope...

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a country that forces their inhabitants to drive on the left side of the road is dangerous enough - I agree these two seem to be suicidal.

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women seem to be the same all over the world...of course they are brilliant and educational drivers :D (my wife may read this - so just in case...)


Andreas
 
Pan Tau said:
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Kraut-bashing must be fun...
Andreas
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Only if you are a kraut, if we can't laugh at ourselves something is wrong. my personal ancestry is 100% German (counting the 25% which is Austrian as basically germanic) and i have cousins and uncles/aunts in germany & austria (wien) now. i have family who were drafted into the waffen ss & escaped from prussia just ahead of the ruskies, and lost an uncle to british bombing of Hamburg, as well as a brother-in-law who was an inmate in dachau, so while i know il pappa was involuntarily in the mentioned services, it is still true that he WAS in them, as were many of my family too. you didn't argue with the authority back then. or make jokes. My ex-wife was 25% Blackfoot (a native american tribe for the auslanders reading this) & her sister converted to judaism
& married the concentration camper, and my neice now lives in a haddasic jewish settlement in israel with her rabbi husband, so i will occasionally joke with & about them as well. as i said before, i'm NOT politically correct & if anyone objects, they are entitled to their opinion, but i'm too old now to worry much about it.

Bri in Chi said:
i personally think they should have elected a hebrew Rabbi,
Like the first one? :confused: :D
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They do tend to forget that Jesus was a jew, as well as peter et al., don't they.....especially all them bible bashers back home in alabama...

and, to open another can of worms, Mohammad was originally a converted jew, and applied to have his followers accepted by the priests in jerusalem back in 600ad (+/-), if they hadn't turned him down, where would we be now?
 
Kronck-

Well, I'm not a Catholic so I'm not as worried about the pope's past as much as some would be, but since you asked...

Judge a man by who he is, not who he was. And really, when you get right down to it, who he was was more a function of where he was than anything else. Pan Tau explained this nicely.

Bri-

And just for the record...I also told my coworkers that we'd be better off with a rabbi in the Vatican, so we're in agreement there. :)
 
When I was in college (many years ago) I had a friend from a very small midwest rural town. I was the first jewish person he had ever gotten to know. He told me this story about his youth:
He once came home from Sunday school and mentioned to his dad, that they had learned that day, that Jesus was Jewish. His father objected, and they decided to resolve the issue by calling the pastor of their church. The pastor told the father that, "yes, The Lord Jesus was indeed, a Jew." To which his father indignantly replied, "Well, MY Jesus wasn't no damned Jew!"
True story :D
 
and for the rest of us who have nothing better to do tonight, we could always play football (soccer to the good ol' boys back home): a few beers helps up the score.

psoccer.jpg


p.s. - i'd a noted this was a german urinal, but don't wanna get accused of kraut-bashing (reminds me, i need to buy some sauerkraut for my bratwurst & wieners, i'm all out) also make note to ask brussels to make a new law to force the brits to sell rye bread - can't find a decent source here.
p.p.s - the little orange thing in the centre is a moveable football
 
Bri, I'm glad that you posted that. Not only was Jesus (Jahushuah) a Jew, he was a teacher of the scripture (rabbi). Go figure. I've never understood anti-semitism amongst many people that profess to be Christians. I guess they should read the Book.

stevo

ps ~ Andreas, I had 3 uncles that were in compulsory service in Germany before they were 16 years old. 1 was caught by the Brits (still writes Christmas cards to the people whose farm he had to work at), and one who was caught by the Russians (needless to say he doesn't write to them). The one caught by the Russians came home when he was about 20, but the pictures of him he looks at least 40 ~ grey hair even. My mom was pushed out of Prussia and into Germany proper as the Russians moved forward. She lived in refugee camps for a couple of years with nothing to eat and no shoes on her feet. When she had to go to the Nazi Youth program all she remembers is that she got a new dress, a pair of boots and a chance to ride horses.
 
Let's see; the Conservative Catholic Church has elected a conservative Pope? Is this a surprise to anyone?

The Catholic Church is an interesting institution. They are at loggerheads with the New World. So is Islam.

I'm actually more curious to see how Liberal Germany, France, and other post modern,(may I say that?) nations will adapt to the future than I am the Catholic Church.

This is a time of change. I think we should remember what popular opinion is worth, though. Remember we took a vote on which new color of M&M to introduce? That Brittany Spears sells albums? And that OJ is innocent because Mark Furhman said the N word? Oh, and that a sizable portion of France's population and most of the Middle East at one time, not very long ago, believed 9-11 was done by the CIA.


munk
 
This is a dangerous thread, but I want to deposit my 2 yen.
If we are to believe that Jesus was the son of God, then the ethnicity of the people where he "landed" is absolutely irrelevant.
It is only relevant if you DO NOT believe he was the son of God.

Whoever the Catholics "elect" for leadership is irrelevant. what is important is the work and the word. Equality, open commensality, no prejudice or class distinctions of any kind, help those in need who are closest to you and do it today.
 
I guess they should read the Book.

I am amazed that people who profess to take the "book" literally, can't read it in the original. Haven't run into many that can read Hebrew or Greek. :confused:
 
Bri in Chi said:
I guess they should read the Book.

I am amazed that people who profess to take the "book" literally, can't read it in the original. Haven't run into many that can read Hebrew or Greek. :confused:
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if you can get the whole book, lotsa parts the church in rome left out cause they didn't like what was in them.
 
kronckew said:
if you can get the whole book, lotsa parts the church in rome left out cause they didn't like what was in them.
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And even beyond that, we're talking about multiple translations here.

One translation is bad enough. I once heard that a translator needed to be an artist as much as a linguist. I believe this to be true. It's not enough to merely convert one word to another (assuming this is even possible)...one must also try to get the "gist" of the passage across as well. When we perform this across several languages there are bound to be errors. Some of our forumites who are talented in multiple languages could provide specific examples here, I'm sure.

The book is not really my thing but there are good things to be found there. I try to keep in mind that there are errors - as in any book - and it's important to look at the larger picture, and not to take things out of context. I can't envision Jesus detonating a car bomb or knocking someone out at a bar but ultimately, interpretation is key...and I'm getting to that.

Of course when we're discussing the book interpretation is important. That's one of the reasons it's so darned interesting. Everyone gets something out of it but it's seldom the same thing. The path is a path and not a goal, no?
 
DannyinJapan said:
This is a dangerous thread, but I want to deposit my 2 yen.
If we are to believe that Jesus was the son of God, then the ethnicity of the people where he "landed" is absolutely irrelevant.
It is only relevant if you DO NOT believe he was the son of God.

Whoever the Catholics "elect" for leadership is irrelevant. what is important is the work and the word. Equality, open commensality, no prejudice or class distinctions of any kind, help those in need who are closest to you and do it today.
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Danny, I agree fully with what you have just written, except for one item. If one believes the scripture is truth, then to fulfill the scripture and prophecy Jesus would have to be a Jew.

Christ espoused the ideals that you just layed down, and the world would be a far better place if people followed his lead as opposed to the dogma that has been layed down in the last 2000 years.

Brian, I speak neither Hebrew or Greek, but I do have referance materials such as Strongs concordance that help me wade through it.
 
Prophecy...I just cant see the real Jesus saying that the truth of God's will has to be in agreement with the psychic hotline.
The word Jew really only refers to an ethnic/religious group. There is no such thing as race. If two animals can interbreed, then they are the same race. That means all humans form the same race.
These are ancient ideas from the land before science.
They knew about magnets but they didnt know DNA.
The bible also warns us to avoid the "occult" including psychics. Prophesy would fall under that heading.
I reject prophesy, it is a distraction from reality.
Humans have been around for more than a million years.
His message agrees with that reality. Prophecies and obsessions with labels, a practice he himself discouraged, does not.

Im not arguing, just trying to explain my own present place along the path of understanding. I continue down the road myself....
 
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