OT- folding bayonet?

[Spectre]

Kel-Tec has a history of making affordable firearms, with good warranty service. Perhaps at least as interesting as the firearms themselves, KT has always offered an variety of innovative accessories, such as firearm clips, flashlight holders, and quick-detachable scopes, always at very reasonable prices.

KT has a new evolution on their SU-16 .223 rifle, a compact SBR. To complement this aggressive-looking piece, Kel-Tec will be offering a folding bayonet, as well as a folding knife similar to the bayonet, but not designed to mount onto a rifle.

D2 and polymer...hm.

Having been forced to carry bayonets on my gear a time or two- and knowing how unlikely a "fix bayonets" order is in the real world- I wouldn't be surprised if some real US units end up with this piece, considering how much lighter and handier it is than the current issue.

John

 

[Aardvark]

That blade had a very nice shape. Wouldn't be ashamed to have that in my pocket.

Do you think that protrusion on the top of the KFK is for one-handed opening? Can't quite picture it...

 

[munk]

Not as strong as a one piece, but your instincts are good, John.



munk

 

[mackasenbach]

Cool blade Spectre

GTHO (got to have one)

I really like Keltecs though have heard some nasty rumblings about the sub 2000. Mine runs fine as though as does my SU 16.Gotta love that lifetime warranty.
But I can remember when Glocks were banned from the range at GPSTC
(Gypstic). Georgia Public Safety Training Center for the unwashed.
Man they have come a long way since then. Everybody I know owns one now

Do you know what Kel Tecs connection to the Grendel was?
It was the only 380 I have ever seen that recoiled like a .45
To have gotten that one so wrong they have sure figured out how to do the rest right

 

[munk]

How accurate is the 223 semi auto of theirs?
That's what I've always wanted to know. It seems to me I saw a chart once, maybe in Riflemen, and the accuracy was disapointing.


munk

 

[Dave Rishar]

Ain't that the truth.

To be fair, though, we're talking about a .380 that weighs nothing and offers little to hold on to. I can't imagine how they could make it recoil less. (Unless they doubled the size and weight, of course, but then it would be like every other .380 out there.)

And for the record, my KT recoils far worse than any .45 that I've ever handled.

 

[Spectre]

George Kelgren designed the Grendels, too, though I understand Kel-Tec has no official relationship to Grendel.

Aa, I do think that the stud is for opening- looks like the barrel ring serves that purpose in the bayonet.

munk, do a search at THR about SU-16 accuracy. I seem to recall it's not quite as good as the AR-15/M16 type weapons, but much better than a standard Mini-14.

For those who have the funds or just like eye candy...

John

 

[Kismet]

Last year sometime, I handled an SU-16 that a friend had just purchased used for just under $500, I think.

It felt so light, I wondered about its fragility, and durability. The bi-pod looked like it was waiting to crack off. Neat design, though, with space for two ?15 mags or one 30. Folded up like a Transformer toy.

I don't know if he's had a chance to play with it, but he is very conversant with that type of firearm, so I'd assume he would not buy something that wasn't going to last.

For a long(!) arm that short, dunno if I'd want a bayonette* at the end. Looked like a great back pack weapon if you were hiding out in the boonies.


Anyone use one for an extend period of time? Kind of neat looking knife, though.

*(Edit: You'd think I would know how to spell "bayonet," wouldn't you? Sheez.)

 

[mackasenbach]

munk

My experience with accuracy and reliability of the SU 16 has been extremely positive. I seem to hit with it about the same or better than my AR. I havent shot a long hot session with it to see how it reacts to heat build up ( the problem with the mini 14) but it does utilize a gas piston design which shoots cleaner than the AR and the barrel is essentially freefloated by design. Where you can actually change the impact point of an AR by the way you support the forearm, because of its design .The forearm/bipod does seem fragile. I hesitate to make any predictions on the guns durability until I have had it a while and placed it under the duress that I would expect a rifle such as this hold up under. But in all honesty who would have expected plastic framed semi automatics to exhibit the durability that they have?
and Kis is right it is a great backpacking gun without the stigma of the BLACKGUN. I just read the thread on Mini 14 polar bear hunting.
It was a very interesting piece.

Now if they would just come out with a .22 conversion for it....

I could only keep that Grendel for about three magazines I figured if it was going to beat up my hand I might as well shoot a bigger caliber
Kel tecs p10 and p11 shoot 9mm and 40 with less recoil than that dang Grendel. I have never shot Kel Tecs new offering in 380. Does anybody know how the recoil is on it?

 

[Spectre]

Yes. Byron and I ran one for SWAT magazine last year.

Noticeable- definitely more than the .32- but not excessive. Still reasonably quick controlled pairs at 7 ft- just use the slide to index from, instead of looking for the tiny ball-and-post sight, at that range.

John

 

[mackasenbach]

Thanks John

Plan to try one as soon as I can get my greasy little hands on it
I am going to play with that technique you are describing to see if I can get good with it. Been mostly practicing with both eyes open and utilizing your
dominant eye. It seems to me that this technique would really be effective in
high stress shooting at close range, for without an exception in all incidences that I have had to draw a gun my full attention and focus was on
the person I was pointing the weapon at. It would appear to me to be inefficient to have to alter your focus long enough to conciously use your sights. The rough alignment of the slide or frame should be a lot easier using periphial vision
Although muscle memory, if you shoot the same gun all of the time, can be very quick and accurate if practiced.
Was it Brian Enos that said that you need to shoot a gun like you drive a car?
Once you have all of the principles down you should be able to do it without thinking step by step