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Beoram, have you ever read the book "The Mother Tongue"? I think you would find it interesting. It traces the European languages back to ancient Sanskrit, exposes the commonalities, and shows how languages evolve. It has been 15 yrs since I read it, maybe I can find it on Ebay or Amazon. Adios, Steve
 
Originally posted by stevomiller
Beoram, have you ever read the book "The Mother Tongue"? I think you would find it interesting. It traces the European languages back to ancient Sanskrit, exposes the commonalities, and shows how languages evolve. It has been 15 yrs since I read it, maybe I can find it on Ebay or Amazon. Adios, Steve

Hi Steve, thanks for the message. I don't think I've actually ever read that particular book. Actually, Sir William Jones in 1786 delivered an address called 'Sprung from a Common Source' which is one of the 1st concrete studies exposes the commonalities between Greek, Latin, Sanskrit, &c. There's a famous quote from this:

The Sanscrit language, whatever be its antiquity, is of wonderful structure; more perfect than the Greek, more copious than the Latin, and more exquisitely refined than either, yet bearing to both of them a stronger affinity, both in the roots of verbs and in the forms of grammar, than could possibly have been produced by accident; so strong indeed, that no philologer could examine them all three, without believing them to have sprung from some common source which, perhaps, no longer exists; there is a similar reason, though not quite so forcible, for supposing that both the Gothick and the Celtick, though blended with a very different idiom, had the same origin with the Sanskcrit; and the old Persian might be added to the same family...

The European languages don't actually descend from Sanskrit, but rather Sanskrit and the European languages descend from a common source, typically called Proto-Indo-European (or Indo-Aryan, or, by the Germans, Indo-Germanische). It's a huge language family, including Sanskrit, Greek, Latin, English, French, Hindi, Russian, German, Persian, Welsh, &c. Hebrew & Arabic are not related; nor are the South Indian languages like Tamil or Malayalam related to Hindi. You can see a 'family tree' of the IE languages @:

Indo-European Family Tree

Actually, I wrote my first linguistics research paper (titled Vakparivartabalaviro:dhavijna:nam, or, Constraint Interaction in Historical Linguistics) on the evolution of Hindi from Sanskrit.

I think The Mother Tongue is supposed to be a good introduction to historical Indo-European linguistics.

Cheers again for the message,

B. Slade, Linguist in Residence, HI University of the Subcontinent
 
And just in case Beoram gets hacked down in a khukuri duel, I can step in as back-up HI linguist; my last semester of MA classes begins Monday! :eek:
 
Originally posted by ruel
And just in case Beoram gets hacked down in a khukuri duel, I can step in as back-up HI linguist; my last semester of MA classes begins Monday! :eek:

:) Well that's a weight off :eek: ;) (at the moment if I were to be involved in a khukuri duel I think I would bet on my being hacked down :( :)).

ruel--you're taking an MA in linguistics?

cheers, B.
 
ruel--you're taking an MA in linguistics?

More like it's taking me! :eek: Three classes and a thesis are all I need...
 
Originally posted by ruel
ruel--you're taking an MA in linguistics?

More like it's taking me! :eek: Three classes and a thesis are all I need...

The classes are easy...the thesis....:eek:

Have you a particular area of concentration?

B.
 
Concentration? It's hard enough just to remember my name sometimes... :(

Seriously, I was going to do my thesis on designing psychometric experimental sets to rate reading performance in standard vs. simplified Chinese writing. Now, I'm more leaning toward either the sociolinguistics behind "Scientific Babelism" or some forensic linguistics on the semantics/pragmatics of personal ads. I really don't know what I'm going to do yet.
 
Originally posted by ruel
Concentration? It's hard enough just to remember my name sometimes... :(

Seriously, I was going to do my thesis on designing psychometric experimental sets to rate reading performance in standard vs. simplified Chinese writing. Now, I'm more leaning toward either the sociolinguistics behind "Scientific Babelism" or some forensic linguistics on the semantics/pragmatics of personal ads. I really don't know what I'm going to do yet.

I'm more on the theoretical side. And I don't deal much with semantics/pragmatics or sociolinguistics, except as they impact historical change.

Do you read Chinese yourself then? By 'Scientific Babelism' do you mean the nonce-words and jargon that sciences create or do you mean the study of people 'speak in tongues'?

I have no idea what the semantics/pragmatics of personal adverts would be! Abbreviations? Simplified 'journal-style' speech (without subjects, e.g. 'Looking for sexy Indian female, must love kukris')? that sort of thing?

[Anyone else reading this--if you don't understand, then it's probably our fault (mine & ruel's):-- when one gets a Ph.D. it's supposed to mean that one can explain one's area clearly to someone who knows nothing about it at all.]
 
My Chinese literacy is limited to a few hundred characters; nowhere near fluent. While being able to read it is not necessary to the project I had in mind, it does seem pretentious to be leveling a formal critique of Chinese literacy reform programs without that ability, or the ability to directly access much of the relevant published literature. That, and the fact that many of the experimental designs I propose require access to equipment I don't have at my disposal, are weakening my resolve to follow that particular thesis path.

I should've prefaced that by saying that my undergrad degrees were in psych and biology, and I've been playing catch-up in theoretical linguistics throughout graduate school. Needless to say, it's given my approach to linguistics a very quantitative/psychobiological slant.

"Scientific Babelism" is a term I've run across that describes something parallel to "Scientific Creationism" in biology -- the idea that language diversity is not the result of historical evolution from older to newer languages, but rather of "divine creation" at the time of the Tower of Babel. Here again, I lean on my undergrad background. I'm putting together a webpage about it, and I'd welcome your input:

http://linguisticspage.homestead.com/skeptic.html

I also have an abstract for a conference paper proposal that I'd be glad to share with you if you're interested in this sort of thing. The down side is that I don't know how I could stretch it to thesis length.

Lastly, I learned a little about 'forensic linguistics' this summer, which has to do with using text and style analysis to determine characteristics about the writer, including truthfulness. The name 'forensic' obviously refers to the use of this in a legal setting.

I thought, "Hey, wouldn't it be fun to see if these techniques could tell who's describing themselves honestly in personal ads?" I got this idea after watching the show "Blind Date" continuously for about two months.

I really think forensic linguistics would make a cool career, though academia has always been where I see myself. The problem with this route, thesis-wise, is that I don't have any background in forensic linguistics, and neither does anyone in our department.

* * * * * * * * *

Anyhoo, that's my thesis conundrum in a nutshell. I have ideas, but not the strength in any one of them to decide convincingly which to pursue.
:mad: :( :confused: :o
 
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