OT- Gran Torino and some rambling about war

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I watch this movie and cannot help but think of my grandfather. Walt and my grandpa are nearly the same person except that my grandfather was a devout Catholic and was a WWII veteran instead of Korea.

A line that really hits home for me is when Walt is talking to the Priest in the bar and the Priest says, 'it seems like you know a lot more about death than you do about living'. The United States military has been engaged in combat operations in multiple countries for 11 years now. Over 50, 000 milpo have come back injured and 6652 have come home under a flag.

18 and 19 year old men have held their friends as they died, 25 and 26 year old men have spent more time in combat than they have with their children. A whole generation of young men have become intimately familiar with death, suicide, and suffering. I got a phone call the other day that another Soldier from my old unit had killed himself and the call seemed almost scripted. We both had been through it several times already that it had become a mechanical response. I tell everyone the same thing in regards to combat veterans killing themselves, that they had been killed in Iraq/Afghanistan and just didn't know it yet.

The VA says that 18 veterans kill themselves every day and that one in three or four(depends on who you ask) homeless males served in the military. Veterans drink and use street drugs or abuse prescription medications to bury the pain they carry. Survivors guilt, MDD, and PTSD are demons that many of us spend our lives running from, and an overburdened, apathetic, bureaucratic nightmare of a veteran's health and support system is failing miserably.

I was injured and medevacced extremely early in my deployment and medically retired long before I felt that I had done enough for the Army and my brothers so the guilt from that haunts me daily. I am one semester away from graduating with a degree in social work and want to work for the VA or as a DoD civilian helping my brothers and sisters, though my reasons are not entirely altruistic. I feel that I owe the Army far more than I gave and hope that I can assuage some of my guilt by getting back into the system and helping out my veteran and/or active duty brothers and sisters.

Anyways, I don't know if anyone has read this far, but if you have, thank you for allowing me to vent a little. Here.
 
Even though you wish you had done more you were injured. You seem like a noble man and it is a noble plan you have for your future. Thanks for your service.
 
Thank you for sharing your story. You just have to remember that you are an awesome person and you gave it your all. Even after your accident, you are still trying to help others and that is amazing. We appreciate what you have done and what you will do in the future.

Congrats on being one month away from graduation! I really hope everything works out well for you. Please keep us updated on your progress :thumbup:
 
The va is the biggest problem scout we go there to get help and they call us liars or just say we were like this before, I have stress disorder not combat related according to them which is weird considering I didn't have these issues before I went over there.
 
The va is the biggest problem scout we go there to get help and they call us liars or just say we were like this before, I have stress disorder not combat related according to them which is weird considering I didn't have these issues before I went over there.


It's a classic case of people who have never been on the line making decisions (and judgement calls) on the people who have. The last time half the military doctors I've met carried a rucksack was in Basic Training.

I feel for you Cav Scout. I'm 11B myself and I have had several friends die, two by suicide. Both of the guys who killed themselves were happy go lucky guys...one of them was one of my primary motivators in my unit, a guy that although he was silly as hell was a squared away grade A soldier when it came time to be one. He apparently had hid a lot of pain behind all those jokes and smiles. I still grin when I think of some of his (incredibly rude) signature wakeup calls.
 
It's a classic case of people who have never been on the line making decisions (and judgement calls) on the people who have. The last time half the military doctors I've met carried a rucksack was in Basic Training.

I feel for you Cav Scout. I'm 11B myself and I have had several friends die, two by suicide. Both of the guys who killed themselves were happy go lucky guys...one of them was one of my primary motivators in my unit, a guy that although he was silly as hell was a squared away grade A soldier when it came time to be one. He apparently had hid a lot of pain behind all those jokes and smiles. I still grin when I think of some of his (incredibly rude) signature wakeup calls.


My experience with the VA is that you either get a provider that gives you 110% or you get one that just doesn't give a shit. The shrink I have right now is the former, he is Sioux and a Vietnam vet and genuinely there for his patients 24 hours a day.

I'm sorry to hear about your friend brother, it...uh...it just sucks that our brothers can ever get to the point where death seems a viable option..
 
First of all, thank you for your service Calvary Scout!

I have feelings similar to yours, although the sacrifice you made was much more than mine. I served in the middle east between wars. And even though I was rarely in any real danger, I have ribbons and medals that are impressive. But to me, it feels like I spent more time cleaning weapons and toilets than anything else. I have a hard time looking people in the eye when they try thanking me for my service; as I tell my friends, all I did was drink my way around the world...twice.
 
I didn't even make it to my first deployment, talk about not feeling like doing your share...

The VA is a mixed bag, my dad always likes to say you get what you pay for...

I love Gran Torino, one of my favorite Eastwood movies, it's just an hour and a half of racist old Clint. I think it's odd that since he's mostly racist towards Asians that it's not that bad and didn't really get any media attention when it was in theaters. If it was Clint vs. brothers the whole movie, it would have been seen as super racist.
 
Scout:

I retired from the Marine Corps ten years ago. I sorely miss my Brother and Sister Leather Necks every day. One thing my twenty years of service taught me is that $hit happens. Out of your control, their control ... You need to find a way to make peace with that to have any chance of having peace of mind. Sometimes it can be a long process. Maybe as you help others you might find closure. /hug
 
First of all, thank you for your service Calvary Scout!

I have feelings similar to yours, although the sacrifice you made was much more than mine. I served in the middle east between wars. And even though I was rarely in any real danger, I have ribbons and medals that are impressive. But to me, it feels like I spent more time cleaning weapons and toilets than anything else. I have a hard time looking people in the eye when they try thanking me for my service; as I tell my friends, all I did was drink my way around the world...twice.

All gave some brother....you raised your hand and bound yourself by name and honor.
 
I miss my old VA shrink....fella gave me HIS number, not a nurse, not a hotline, not on call doc, but his number. He truly cared and was very much appreciated. Lately it seems a new doc every other month.....


19D here
 
I thank you for your service to this country. I'm not ex or former anything, just an average joe in this life, if you will. The one thing that stood out in your post is that you feel guilty that you were medically retired before you felt you've "done enough". My opinion may not matter or it may be off base, but I think that we all have obstacles and challenges that we face in life. They can vary depending on the person and the strengths they have been granted physically, emotionally and mentally. I would say that your obstacle, if I may call it that for the sake of conversation and my point, was being injured and overcoming that life altering event . You are one semester away from graduating and are pursuing an avenue to help others. There is nothing to be guilty about over that. If anything, you should have a sense of accomplishment that you have been given a new lease on life and are using it to help others and to help them better themselves as you have. The only thing one can truly control in life is our attitudes. Below is a quote from Charles Swindoll on Attitudes and it really stood out to me and reminded me of some things in life. Maybe it will help you :)

Charles Swindoll
This may shock you, but I believe the single most significant decision I can make on a day-to-day basis is my choice of attitude. It is more important than my past, my education, my bankroll, my successes or failures, fame or pain, what other people think of me, or say about me, my circumstances, or my position. The attitude I choose keeps me going or cripples my progress. It alone fuels my fire or assaults my hope. When my attitudes are right, there’s no barrier too high, no valley too deep, no dream too extreme, no challenge too great for me.

Yet we must admit that we spend more of our time concentrating and fretting over the things that can’t be changed than we do giving attention to the one that we can change, our choice of attitude. Stop and think about some of the things that suck up our attention and energy, all of them inescapable: the weather, the wind, people’s action and criticisms, who won or lost the game, delays at airports or waiting rooms, x-ray results, gas and food costs.

Quit wasting energy fighting the inescapable and turn your energy to keeping the right attitude. Those things we can’t do anything about shouldn’t even come up in our minds; the alternative is ulcers, cancer, sourness, depression.

Let’s choose each day and every day to keep an attitude of faith and joy and belief and compassion.

Take charge of your own mind!

Again, these are just my thoughts and I hope they encourage you and are helpful in some manner.
 
No regrets brother. Your heart is in the the right place, you are moving forward to try to help. Debt is paid.




Only the dead have seen the end of war
 
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