OT: looking for a beretta 8040D in 40sw

Found one 8040D here:

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976483474.htm

For the price of a kukri,have you seen the new/unissued Bulgarian Makarov's that "Aim Surplus.com" has for $149+.

They come with 4 mags,cleaning rod,and a holster.

They are 9X18mm as opposed to the 9X19mm luger. You can pick up a current production 1000 round case of Silver Bear Hollow Point ammo for around $100.00 bucks.

These are one of the toughest,highest quality,simplest constructed ,and sweetest deals --I've seen in a long,long time. Betcha can't buy just one.

Check them out at "auction arms.com" or "gunsamerica". They are discussed in detail at "makarov.com":)
 
clearblue said:
For the price of a kukri,have you seen the new/unissued Bulgarian Makarov's that "Aim Surplus.com" has for $149+.

They come with 4 mags,cleaning rod,and a holster.

They are 9X18mm as opposed to the 9X19mm luger. You can pick up a current production 1000 round case of Silver Bear Hollow Point ammo for around $100.00 bucks.
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What does the 9 X 18mm compare to, maybe something like a .380?
 
Yvsa said:
What does the 9 X 18mm compare to, maybe something like a .380?
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Yvsa, it would compare most closely with the standard 9X19 .9mm. the .380 ACP (also called the .9mm Kurz by the Germans and the .9mm Corto by the Italians), is on paper about 65% less effective, but in reality only about 40% less than the 9 because of variations in bullet weights, etc.

"SAAMI industry-standard catalog specifications for the two cartridges rate the .380 at approximately 950 fps velocity and 200 foot-pounds (ft-lbs) energy for JHP bullets in the 90- to 100-grain weight range while the 9mm (which is offered in a much wider range of bullet weights and styles) is specced at 1150 fps and 340 ft-lbs energy with a 115-grain JHP bullet and 990 fps and 320 ft-lbs energy with heavier 147-grain JHP subsonic loads. In raw energy terms alone, then, the 9mm has about a 65 percent advantage. "

I carried a nice Manhurin manufactured Walther PPK .380 (made in St. Etienne France on Walthers original equipment moved there after the war) daily for 3 years while I drove cab, and later traded it straight across for a blue 7 1/2" Ruger Redhawk, a trade I have always regretted. Not that the Redhawk was a poor acquistion, it is a great revolver, but just that the French Walther was so beautifully made, and other than my Glock 19 is the only autoloader I have ever owned that never jammed even once, not matter what it was fed or how dirty it got. The weight of the Walther handled the mild .380 recoil very nicely, and was the perfect "ladies gun."

For defensive purposes you are much better off with a 9 mm., but as the old saying goes, the little gun in your pocket is always better than the big gun you left at home. Both are far superior to a .25 ACP. Hell, almost any .22 LR is superior to a .25 ACP (as are most rocks IMO!)

Makarov guys love them for the great prices and often you can get great workmanship for very little $. A friend of mine has 6 or 8 of them. Some are much nicer than others. A few are dogs.

IMO, the 9X18 is just a manifestation of the typical Soviet abberation of having to do things just a _little_ bit different than everyone else, just to prove to themselves that they really aren't inferior technologically. :) So, we have the .308 Winchester, the 7.62 X 51, and they have the 7.62 X 39. We have the .223 Remington, the 5.56 mm, and they have also have a 5.5 mm variant with a different case length used in a very similar rifle and application.

Regards,

Norm
 
Thanks everybody. I decided on the 8040 F in stainless steel. I found one that does layaways and is willing to work with an overseas ninja.

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Svashtar said:
Yvsa, it would compare most closely with the standard 9X19 .9mm. the .380 ACP (also called the .9mm Kurz by the Germans and the .9mm Corto by the Italians), is on paper about 65% less effective, but in reality only about 40% less than the 9 because of variations in bullet weights, etc.

"SAAMI industry-standard catalog specifications for the two cartridges rate the .380 at approximately 950 fps velocity and 200 foot-pounds (ft-lbs) energy for JHP bullets in the 90- to 100-grain weight range while the 9mm (which is offered in a much wider range of bullet weights and styles) is specced at 1150 fps and 340 ft-lbs energy with a 115-grain JHP bullet and 990 fps and 320 ft-lbs energy with heavier 147-grain JHP subsonic loads. In raw energy terms alone, then, the 9mm has about a 65 percent advantage. "

I carried a nice Manhurin manufactured Walther PPK .380 (made in St. Etienne France on Walthers original equipment moved there after the war) daily for 3 years while I drove cab, and later traded it straight across for a blue 7 1/2" Ruger Redhawk, a trade I have always regretted. Not that the Redhawk was a poor acquistion, it is a great revolver, but just that the French Walther was so beautifully made, and other than my Glock 19 is the only autoloader I have ever owned that never jammed even once, not matter what it was fed or how dirty it got. The weight of the Walther handled the mild .380 recoil very nicely, and was the perfect "ladies gun."

For defensive purposes you are much better off with a 9 mm., but as the old saying goes, the little gun in your pocket is always better than the big gun you left at home. Both are far superior to a .25 ACP. Hell, almost any .22 LR is superior to a .25 ACP (as are most rocks IMO!)

Makarov guys love them for the great prices and often you can get great workmanship for very little $. A friend of mine has 6 or 8 of them. Some are much nicer than others. A few are dogs.

IMO, the 9X18 is just a manifestation of the typical Soviet abberation of having to do things just a _little_ bit different than everyone else, just to prove to themselves that they really aren't inferior technologically. :) So, we have the .308 Winchester, the 7.62 X 51, and they have the 7.62 X 39. We have the .223 Remington, the 5.56 mm, and they have also have a 5.5 mm variant with a different case length used in a very similar rifle and application.

Regards,

Norm
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Great post Norm! SOG - Yvsa--Southern Ohio Guns-has the Polish Makarovs 9X18's, new unissued, on sale now for $127.00each-- if you buy 2 or more.If these are anywhere near the quality of the Bulgy's they are an awesome buy.
If you intend to purchase, I would recommend going AIM first as I know their's are Primo. I'll post the quality of the Polish Mak's in a few days.

Centerfire systems has the French Manurhins .32 acp for $249. These, if you can get a quality hand select, are truly one of the best feeling in the hand and most beautiful affordable pistols --available today.

They are almost the perfect size for a crotch holster and nearly impossible to detect unless you're getting a pat-down or being otherwise groped.

Glad you found your pistol Danny! :)
 
I am a man of many favorites.
I grew up a flag and 1911 waving American.

Then I grew "sophisticated" and became a Sig Sauer MAn, preferring the 220 and 226.

Since then, I have discovered that the cougars have the absolutely perfect ergonomics for my hands.
(this will be my second cougar, the first one I sold when I moved to japan)
IF it fits your hand well, then you should go with it, thats my new motto.

thats one of the reasons I adore the kerambit. (thanks again Dan)
 
Yvsa, the 380, ( aka 9x17, 9mm Kurz, 9mm Corto, 9mm Browning short, et al. ), the 9mm Makarov ( 9x18 M ) and the standard pressure 38 Special from a 2" are for practical purposes pretty much equivalent to each other. Figure about 200 ft.lbs. muzzle energy. Unlke the 380 (.356 jacketed ) and 38 spl. ( .358 lead ), the 9mm Mak has a diameter of .365 IIRC. The Mak supposedly has a slight edge over the 380, but the difference between different brands of each caliber usually overshadow the differences between loads of the two calibers when fired over chronographs. Both were made to be fired in unlocked ( blowback ) actions. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

The Polish P64's are chambered in the Makarov cartridge, but like the Hungarian PA63 are different than the Makarov pistol itself.
 
DannyinJapan said:
I am a man of many favorites.
I grew up a flag and 1911 waving American.

Then I grew "sophisticated" and became a Sig Sauer MAn, preferring the 220 and 226.

Since then, I have discovered that the cougars have the absolutely perfect ergonomics for my hands.
(this will be my second cougar, the first one I sold when I moved to japan)
IF it fits your hand well, then you should go with it, thats my new motto.

thats one of the reasons I adore the kerambit. (thanks again Dan)
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Just curious-Do you have small or large hand size?

I found the Browning BDM to be the best I could find for my smaller hands.

The next best would be the standard Browning Hi-Power.
 
DannyinJapan said:
IF it fits your hand well, then you should go with it, thats my new motto. thats one of the reasons I adore the kerambit. (thanks again Dan)
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Here to serve, Danny.

I'll bring my ironwood kerambit to the KK for you to drool over....:D
 
Rusty said:
Yvsa, the 380, ( aka 9x17, 9mm Kurz, 9mm Corto, 9mm Browning short, et al. ), the 9mm Makarov ( 9x18 M ) and the standard pressure 38 Special from a 2" are for practical purposes pretty much equivalent to each other. Figure about 200 ft.lbs. muzzle energy. Unlke the 380 (.356 jacketed ) and 38 spl. ( .358 lead ), the 9mm Mak has a diameter of .365 IIRC. The Mak supposedly has a slight edge over the 380, but the difference between different brands of each caliber usually overshadow the differences between loads of the two calibers when fired over chronographs. Both were made to be fired in unlocked ( blowback ) actions. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.
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Well, I said it was ballistically closer to the 9X19, and Rusty said it was closest to the .380 ACP. The 9th Ed. of Cartridges of the World says it is "intermediate in size and power between the .380 ACP and the 9mm Luger" which would seem to make us both kinda right, however I have crunched the numbers and Rusty is more correct. There is at best a 20 lb. energy advantage to the 9X18, so to my mind it is much closer to the .380 performance-wise. Six of one, half dozen of the other is about right. If I couldn't have a 9mm though I would just stick with the compact Walther platform and the .380 ACP rather than the Makarov, even though it is much pricier. At least ammo would probably be easier to get...

Thanks,

Norm

P.S. Beretta used to make a nice 13 round double stack .380. Discontinued now. The Model 84 is what I think it was called. They dropped it around the same time Interarms began importing the Walther PPK/S.
 
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