Ot M38

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I have been wanting one for a while but my local gunshop had the laminated ones marked down to 89 bucks.

I picked the one with the best trigger/bore. Got home and ran a patch thru and stepped out at 25 yards and cracked one off. Right thru the middle. Stepped back to the road which is 45 yards and shot the rest. 3 of 5 were in the 2" square. Awesome. I love carbines. I wouldn't be afraid to take this hunting at all with sporting ammo. :thumbup:
 
Cheap ammo, cheap to purchase, hard hitting.

The only thing not to like is the "safety", which while, secure, ain't exactly user-friendly. That's the only reason I don't own 3 or 4.

J
 
HD, I'm sorry. Friday was a bust. I made it out to the Camp Sunday, visions of illuminating the interior of the darkened "A" Range with Russian fireballs dancing in my head, only to find the wiring ripped out and no power. The lights weren't too big of a problem but without ventilation, it was not a good idea.

I've got a plan for tomorrow. It will happen, for the edumacation of our fellow forumites if nothing else, but as plans collapse the timetable changes. Worst case scenario - I'll wait a month or two until the days are short and do it at the gravel pit.

The M38 that I didn't shoot on Sunday is my display model, a 1943 Izhmash. No lamination but the stock has some real figure to it...it's not one of the "teeth-hurting-ugly" blonde birch stocks that the Communists are known for. The finish is just about 100% and it came with all the accessories - the only problem was a rough bore but I've seen such bores shoot before. We'll see how this one shoots. (Unfortunately it will be with Wolf softpoints, not known for their sterling accuracy. Then again, the original stuff wasn't all that either.)

My other M38 (because they are so good it's worth having two of them) has morphed into the Satori Practical Hunter. It was beat to hell, finish bad, mismatched parts, no accessory kit...just a disaster. The bore and sights were pristine. Big 5 was selling these beaters for $60 and tax. $60 rifle + $40 synthetic stock = $100 rifle that can't be broken by WWII era Russian conscripts, hits hard, shoots straight...and did I mention that it was only $100? Bang it around in the back of the truck? Sure. Drop it in the mud? Sure. Sit for six hours in the rain? Sure. Nothing's too bad for this rifle.

Ironically, the one time that I really needed a throwaway rifle - I'd stepped into a deep area of water and was stuck at the bottom due to the weight I was carrying - I'd had this rifle with me. I didn't throw it away. Instead, I held it out of the water above my head like a good serviceman and nearly drowned. Gifts are sometimes wasted upon the gifted.

It will take anything up to an elk at several hundred yards - about the limit of hunting ranges around here. It may take a bear but I don't want to try. I suppose that after a few years of my abuse it will die a glorious death; at that point, I'll buy another for $60 and start again. I never could see the utility in using a $1000 rifle out in the field.

Your video is coming, HD. It just may take a little while. (And I'm thinking about throwing in one from a vented .44 snubby, just as a bonus.)

TAPCO used to have a lot of "new old stock" M-N parts that would fit any model for cheap, including cleaning kits. They still might. Wolf ammunition isn't the best but it's cheap. If you want a lighter trigger, carefully stone a bit of metal off the sear. It makes a huge difference on these rifles. If it discharges when you throw the bolt forcefully you went too far. Get a replacement. If you don't already have one, get a combination tool - it has the all-important firing pin protrusion gauge, and while I normally eyeball my firing pins I'd rather be doing it with a gauge.

Good luck with your rifle, HD. You're going to love it. If you don't already have one, get an M44 next. ("Fix bayonets...charge!")
 
Satori,

How do you rate the m44? I had heard some stuff about the m38 being slightly more accurate. The M44's they had (same price) looked almost unissued and the receiver was polished. The M38 looks like it was filed into shape ;) although not as bad as some others.

I bought Czech silvertip ammo for mine at the local gunstore. Now if I can just find a case I'll be in business.
 
Personally...I always had a thing for the British Enfield...

I guess you guys always knew I was smle!

Seems like they are getting hard to come by...or am I not looking hard enough?

Shane
 
shane justice said:
Personally...I always had a thing for the British Enfield...

Seems like they are getting hard to come by...or am I not looking hard enough?

Shane

Here you go. Got $109?

http://www.classicarms.us/

some other great gun values there too.

same Russki, German K98, Romanian AK's & Enfield Mk4.

They were recently featured in American Rifleman.


Ad Astra
 
hollowdweller said:
Satori,

How do you rate the m44? I had heard some stuff about the m38 being slightly more accurate. The M44's they had (same price) looked almost unissued and the receiver was polished. The M38 looks like it was filed into shape ;) although not as bad as some others.

I bought Czech silvertip ammo for mine at the local gunstore. Now if I can just find a case I'll be in business.

The M44 is fine, but understand that when they're sighted in it's with the bayonet extended; the idea behind these (from what I can gather) was that the folded bayonet and short barrel were included for use in and around armored vehicles, and that the bayonet was supposed to be extended for actual combat use.

I have two. Both are Romanian. Both shot to the point of aim with the bayonet extended. They're reasonably accurate, as in they'd hit a man several hundred meters away if the hold was good. That's pretty much what they were built to do.

The bayonet is actually very sturdy. Some years ago I performed a sterling bayonet rush on a derelict refrigerator. Not only did I sink the bayonet to the muzzle, but as the refrigerator tipped over (and being a good serviceman, I held on to my rifle), the transfer of weight actually threw me. There were no issues with the bayonet afterwards. That's strong enough for me.

If you're not interested in the bayonet it's not too much of a problem to remove it permanently but removing it temporarily is a PITA. Either way you'll probably need to rezero the rifle.

I've never shot the silvertip but I've heard nothing but good things about it.
 
I have a laminated M38 and its a fine rifle. That and the SMLE are my 2 military BA favorites.

Ice
 
I had the opportunity today to function test the M38. This one hadn't been shot yet and I've experienced a milsurp explosion in the past; plus, I can't locate any of my M-N combination tools so I had to eyeball the firing pin protrusion. Evidently I got it right. Everything went without a hitch and the spent brass didn't show any signs of excessive headspace or pressure.

The fireballs are indeed impressive.

muzzleflash.jpg


Bit of a muzzle flash on that one, huh?

Here's the video.
 
Indoors?

I can't imagine how loud that must have been. I also can't imagine how hard it was to breathe! I'm telling you that Czech silver tip I have been shooting smokes about like a black powder gun!
 
You know when you take a shot at a deer and you don't hear the report because you're so nervous? It was kind of like that. I hadn't been planning on shooting this one when I'd bought it but a gun that doesn't shoot is like a dull knife. This has been the first untested milsurp that I've shot since the M48 popped its top in my face and I was understandably a little nervous. I should've been more confident in it.

That, and I'm already half deaf. The guys uprange said that it was pretty damned loud and I'm inclined to believe them.

This batch of Wolf didn't seem smoky but it's got that good old Wolf smell - the fumes could gag a maggot.
 
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