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I saw this in the NY Times today, and it really got my goat. That is the polite way of putting it:

"New Orleans Begins Confiscating Firearms as Water Recedes
By ALEX BERENSON and TIMOTHY WILLIAMS

NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 8 - Waters were receding across this flood-beaten city today as police officers began confiscating weapons, including legally registered firearms, from civilians in preparation for a mass forced evacuation of the residents still living here.

No civilians in New Orleans will be allowed to carry pistols, shotguns or other firearms, said P. Edwin Compass III, the superintendent of police. "Only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons," he said.

But that order apparently does not apply to hundreds of security guards hired by businesses and some wealthy individuals to protect property. The guards, employees of private security companies like Blackwater, openly carry M-16's and other assault rifles. Mr. Compass said that he was aware of the private guards, but that the police had no plans to make them give up their weapons.

Nearly two weeks after the floods began, New Orleans has turned into an armed camp, patrolled by thousands of local, state, and federal law enforcement officers, as well as National Guard troops and active-duty soldiers. While armed looters roamed unchecked last week, the city is now calm. No arrests were made on Wednesday night or this morning, and the police received only 10 calls for service, a police spokesman said."

THIS IS PRECISELY THE TIME WHEN PEOPLE NEED TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT THEMSELVES!
 
Yes, but it has been a long day, with another 100 mile round-trip drive to work.
Gas prices are eating me up.

I know someone down on the Delta in Mississippi. His home is one of the few that is till standing and dry. He has had people in his yard at night, and you can be sure that he doesn't want to give up his guns. You can bet that he wants permission to use them when they are needed.
 
I am sure the ACLU will immedaitely sue to enforce the civil rights of citizens to bear arms.



Sure I do.
 
Thomas Linton said:
I am sure the ACLU will immedaitely sue to enforce the civil rights of citizens to bear arms.



Sure I do.
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that caught me off guard and I blew dr. pepper out my nose...thank you, I needed a good belly laugh!
 
Long ago when I cared I read the rationalization from the ACLU concerning the Second Amendment. The collective right was settled law and that was that-




munk
 
munk said:
Long ago when I cared I read the rationalization from the ACLU concerning the Second Amendment. The collective right was settled law and that was that-




munk
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If thy right eye offends, pluck it out. Then you can see things the ACLU way.
 
When we leaving for Bosnia, I can remember when someone mentioned weapons confiscation during the pre-deployment briefing one guy in my unit calling out, "Hey sergeant, we can't be taking away peoples' guns."

I've heard that the policy in Iraq is one gun (AK-47 type) per household for defense is permitted (from an unreliable source)? Can anyone confirm or deny?

They had a security guard on TV from one of the local security companies here that was going down there showing off all his "firepower" amounting to what looked like a carbine M-16 clone type with a scope (described as "a military weapon turned into a sniper rifle" or something) a high cap 9mm and a shotgun. He said they were briefed that it was a complete free-for-all, "worse then the old west."

I never factored what the government used into my choice for my kit, figuring if it was compatible with theirs, it would be even harder to keep them from taking it.

"We're from the government, we're here a day late and a dollar short, and we're here to take your guns."
 
Americans need to get it thru their heads. The government is about governing. "To Protect and Serve" is pure propaganda, their job is to stay in control, and if a lot of people have to die in order for that to happen, too bad for them, the government as a whole considers it worthwhile. Individual government employees have higher motives, but as an entity the purpose of government is to remain in control and increase its own power. The government would rather have armed criminal gangs roaming the streets that have average citizens realize that they don't need the government to keep them safe.
 
Thomas Linton wrote, "If thy right eye offends, pluck it out. Then you can see things the ACLU way."


Thomas, Thomas, Thomas ............. tsk, tsk, tsk !


You need to pluck out BOTH eyes. :D
 
Yes, the Bagdad policy was one gun, usually a fully auto AK 47, per household.

You must remember though, that New Orleans was a liberal city and therefore has fewer rights than Iraqis.




munk
 
First amendment too! The admin is restricting reporters in order to keep themselves from looking bad. :thumbdn:

However the gun restriction has a distinctly Neocon flavor. They just want to restrict the working man from self protection. As always the rich are granted special favors:

"But that order apparently does not apply to hundreds of security guards hired by businesses and some wealthy individuals to protect property. The guards, employees of private security companies like Blackwater, openly carry M-16's and other assault rifles. Mr. Compass said that he was aware of the private guards, but that the police had no plans to make them give up their weapons. "

I predict that the forced evacuation of people from their homes is just a form of emminent domain to allow the gov't to sell them to businesses who can raze the middle and lower middle class housing in favor of luxury condos for the rich!

Give it ten years and you will see the rise of "Mc NewOrleans" with luxury housing, chain bars and pseudo cajun culture.
 
I am hesitant to post what I really think about this situation. Suffice to say that this is a bad precedent that stands a good chance of being repeated in the future. Some day good people are going to have to make a life changing and possibly life ending choice. So sad. :(

Jeff
 
However the gun restriction has a distinctly Neocon flavor. They just want to restrict the working man from self protection. As always the rich are granted special favors: >>>>>>>> Hollowdweller


I guess the New Orleans Superintendent of the Police is in on it, since it is he ordering the ban. Probably those Rich Neo Cons paid him to do it.




munk
 
munk said:
However the gun restriction has a distinctly Neocon flavor. They just want to restrict the working man from self protection. As always the rich are granted special favors: >>>>>>>> Hollowdweller


I guess the New Orleans Superintendent of the Police is in on it, since it is he ordering the ban. Probably those Rich Neo Cons paid him to do it.




munk
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Blackwater no doubt ;) (kidding)
 
Guys,

You can say what you want...and you can choose to beleive what you will...

This thing we call freedom may have already gone...

We have traded it for "Public Safety" and "National Security"

Our government has governed...and we let it ...

We sold our strength to those who hold it cheaply...

We traded our wealth for a better world image....

Who among us can say he is free to live as our Constitution allows?

If a man can say ,"I know freedom!" Then he is not lucid.

Knowing that you are guaranteed certain Freedoms...and knowing that it would be unlawful anyone to relieve you of those Freedoms...would you stand?

Would you raise your hand to the American come to take away your Freedom? Would you strike him down...knowing he is just like you?

Could you do it?

Knowing that your own would go without...and suffer becuase of your choices... Would you choose not to watch your children and your grandchildren grow? Would you say good bye then and there...and send them on their way?

Would you let them lay seige to your land? Starve you out? Shoot chemicals into your home so you could not breathe...as they wait outside to electrocute you into submission?

Are you ready for that? Are you ready for your five minutes of fame?

Though your fight is just and right...and purchased with the blood of patriots...your name will be laid as an example to others...in the dust...

"Just another psycho killed...and that's why we should get rid of all the guns!" they will say. Who will be there to correct them...

It is hard to imagine a land where a man is not allowed the means to protect himself.

It is even harder to imagine a land where a man is forced to protect himself from his own government.

In doing so he, himself, becomes the thing he guarded against...and is forced to become Outlaw and Free...underneath the cold earth.

Shane
 
Anybody heard of..."You can take my gun when you pry it from my cold dead fingers" ?

I would add..."and after you crawl over the dead bodies to get to me."

I'll never disarm. No way. No how.
 
As long as many many people feel and act as Semper does, we have some assurance.

No, it's not entirely 'right'. The guy who comes to your door is you; he has a wife and kids and probably saw your face on a demonstration board under the heading, ; "Dangerous Anti Government Psychotic"

There are so many things in life not fair. But just think how fair it would be if enough of us stood as Semper does and this kept a final Calamity from occurring which in fact saved lives

Imagine Politicians couldn't order confiscation of firearms because of a constant; the knowledge a substancial percentage of the population would not surrender them.



munk
 
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