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OT Parang question
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Description:
This beautiful Short Sword wears a wonderfully engraved 18 1/4 inch slighty curved, hand-forged blade. Blade remains in very good condition and is marked and dated "TUIKEROEH 1896". Intricately carved hilt and scabbard are constructed of some type of exotic wood. Also remaining in good condition with only one small chip at the throat of the scabbard. Overall measuring 27 inches in length.
This beautiful Short Sword wears a wonderfully engraved 18 1/4 inch slighty curved, hand-forged blade. Blade remains in very good condition and is marked and dated "TUIKEROEH 1896". Intricately carved hilt and scabbard are constructed of some type of exotic wood. Also remaining in good condition with only one small chip at the throat of the scabbard. Overall measuring 27 inches in length.
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Beautiful stuff and thanks.
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I'm leery of the date stamp.
The first 2 numbers (18) are clearly stamped, while the 2nd set (96) are a different font and size and perhaps even scribed instead of stamped.
There are certainly explanations for the differences.
Get that info from the seller first.
The first 2 numbers (18) are clearly stamped, while the 2nd set (96) are a different font and size and perhaps even scribed instead of stamped.
There are certainly explanations for the differences.
Get that info from the seller first.
The marking should be read "TJIKEROEH" ('cikeru' in the modern Bahasa Indonesia spelling). During the late Dutch colonial period, Tjikeroeh was a center of production on Java that made hybrid Dutch/Chinese/Javanese weapons. These blades have come up for discussion a number of times on the Ethnographic Edged Weapons Forum (http://vikingsword.com/ethsword)so a search on that board might yield good information.
The carving style is also Javanese. However, swordmaking is still very much an active industry over there -- and fakes are certainly part of that industry since keris and other traditional weapons command top prices -- so Pendentive's cautionary observation about the date stamp is timely.
On a more positive note, it is a nice piece, and if the price is acceptable, you would probably do well to snatch it up (if that was your plan
).
The carving style is also Javanese. However, swordmaking is still very much an active industry over there -- and fakes are certainly part of that industry since keris and other traditional weapons command top prices -- so Pendentive's cautionary observation about the date stamp is timely.
On a more positive note, it is a nice piece, and if the price is acceptable, you would probably do well to snatch it up (if that was your plan
).Ferguson,
That looks mighty authentic -- it compares VERY strongly to similar antique parangs and goloks and things I've seen on these sites:
http://www.oriental-arms.co.il/OA/index/collection-indonesia.html
(neat old blades)
http://therionarms.com/antiques/malaysia.shtml
(site has many antique and repro items like yours to compare)
http://www.valiantco.com
(both new reproductions and fine antique blades of this ilk)
http://www.eriksedge.com/morotext.html
(this has some EXCELLENT comparative information and descriptions of most of the Moro/Indonesian/Phillipine/Oceanic islands bewildering variety of blades!)
These site are all pretty nifty and you can spend a fair amount of time reading, ogling, and drooling (I have!).
Hope these help!
Kev
That looks mighty authentic -- it compares VERY strongly to similar antique parangs and goloks and things I've seen on these sites:
http://www.oriental-arms.co.il/OA/index/collection-indonesia.html
(neat old blades)
http://therionarms.com/antiques/malaysia.shtml
(site has many antique and repro items like yours to compare)
http://www.valiantco.com
(both new reproductions and fine antique blades of this ilk)
http://www.eriksedge.com/morotext.html
(this has some EXCELLENT comparative information and descriptions of most of the Moro/Indonesian/Phillipine/Oceanic islands bewildering variety of blades!)
These site are all pretty nifty and you can spend a fair amount of time reading, ogling, and drooling (I have!).
Hope these help!
Kev
Yeah Ferg,
I've learned more about Khuks and obscure blades here by lurking the past week than I've learned in 20 years! Neat place these folks have here...neat folks included, even!
I just lust after these unusual and different, curvy and sexy Indo/Asian blades (including Khuks!). The staggering array of things they've got like the Parang you've got pictured over at Valient Trading has got me scrounging together a couple of $tens and $twenties to nab up a thing or two
. Next, a real-live Khuk or two, and I'll be set. Waiting still on income tax, then I should be straight.
Happy huntung!
Kev.
I've learned more about Khuks and obscure blades here by lurking the past week than I've learned in 20 years! Neat place these folks have here...neat folks included, even!
I just lust after these unusual and different, curvy and sexy Indo/Asian blades (including Khuks!). The staggering array of things they've got like the Parang you've got pictured over at Valient Trading has got me scrounging together a couple of $tens and $twenties to nab up a thing or two
. Next, a real-live Khuk or two, and I'll be set. Waiting still on income tax, then I should be straight.Happy huntung!
Kev.
Whoa thats nice!
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Blade and furniture seems too clean and well preserved for its age (100+ years old) and coming from this part of the world (hot+wet = hell for preserving old blades and natural materials).
A nice piece of work, regardless of its authenticity. And a lovely, graceful design.
Andrew Lim
A nice piece of work, regardless of its authenticity. And a lovely, graceful design.
Andrew Lim
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Furguson - it is a beautiful parang fr West Java, Indonesia. Tjikeroeh or the current spelling Cikeruh is a village cum sub-district about 20 km fr Bandung, Java, Indonesia. Any place in Java with name begins with Tji or the current spelling Ci are situated either in West or Central Java - eg. Cibaduyut, Cibatu, Cikalong etc. Those people there belong to an ethnic group of Sunda.
You can view few sold parangs in http://www.oriental-arms.co.il/OA/index/sold-indonesia.html ... btw ... there is a Javanese knife maker in web ... check in http://www.javaknives.com/ ... but this site only offer for short knives.
Anyhow Malaysian and Indonesian normally referring name of parang only to those wich are purposely made for fieldworks, while those made for fighting are normally called as 'pedang' or sword. In this case that item in your pict is locally called as pedang because it shows the characteristic that shows it was made for fighting only.
You can view few sold parangs in http://www.oriental-arms.co.il/OA/index/sold-indonesia.html ... btw ... there is a Javanese knife maker in web ... check in http://www.javaknives.com/ ... but this site only offer for short knives.
Anyhow Malaysian and Indonesian normally referring name of parang only to those wich are purposely made for fieldworks, while those made for fighting are normally called as 'pedang' or sword. In this case that item in your pict is locally called as pedang because it shows the characteristic that shows it was made for fighting only.
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I absolutely love this place. I have spent hours just looking at the different designs. A very well-done website with great photography.
Has anyone ordered one of their knives?
I know they're not comparable to HI offerings, but they have their own niche...
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Way past what I can afford. 
Maybe someone else can get it.
Parang on Ebay
Good luck,
Steve
I should stick to Khukuris, the best value going!
Maybe someone else can get it.
Parang on Ebay
Good luck,
Steve
I should stick to Khukuris, the best value going!