OT: Twisted ankle medical advice...

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I twisted an ankle by taking a bad step off a stair yesterday. (I wish I could say I was put into an ankle lock by a foul villain who almost broke it until I pulled out an AK and cut off his ears.) Although it's not too bad (I'm barely limping), what's some good medical advice?

I was going to rub some kimchee on it but I don't have any. I made that up because something that smells that bad has to do some good. :D
 
Bruise you should've iced it immediately, but it's not too late. Get some ice on it now!!!!
 
By John C. Wolf, D.O.Associate Professor of Family Medicine Ohio University College of Osteopathic Medicine

FIRST AID FOR ANKLE SPRAIN IS SPELLED "R-I-C-E"

Question: While playing basketball last week, I hurt my ankle. My doctor said that I only have a sprain. In fact, I’ve sprained my ankle before. I know what a sprained ankle looks like and how it feels, but I don’t really understand what causes it. Would you explain a sprained ankle for me, please?

Answer: A sprain, any sprain, is the stretching and/or tearing of ligaments that support a joint. You see, the bones that meet to form a joint are held together by tough fibrous ligaments. These limit the amount of normal bending movement that a joint can have as well as provide stability so the joint doesn’t “wobble.”

To explain this further, I need to describe the difference between ligaments and tendons. Many people confuse these two body structures because both of them are often injured in the same mishap. A tendon is an active, moving piece of fibrous tissue that connects the end of a muscle to bone. The power of a muscle contraction is carried by the tendon across the joint to pull on the bone resulting in joint and limb movement. The ligaments at this joint guide and limit the amount of movement. They are only passive supporting structures.

Ankle sprain is the term we use to describe a condition where some or all the ligaments in the ankle become torn. They become injured as the ankle is “folded in” or turned inward. Often the individual hears a pop and experiences a tearing sensation. There is usually immediate pain that is promptly followed by swelling. I know you are familiar with all of these symptoms.

In a mild sprain only a few of the fibers of the ligaments are torn, and the pain may be bearable and walking still possible. For this type of sprain, and in fact for all sprains, proper initial treatment is described by the acronym “RICE.” This stands for Rest, Ice, Compression, and Elevation. In other words, Rest means promptly getting off the injured foot. Ice should be used to reduce the swelling, but don’t keep the ice bag on the injury for more that 20 minutes out of each hour. Compression is achieved by simply wrapping the injured ankle with an elastic bandage. And Elevation requires lying down and keeping the ankle several inches above the level of the heart. Four or five pillows placed under the foot will do the trick. Failing to elevate the ankle high enough can lead to increased accumulation of fluid in the tissues. This increased swelling will cause more pain and can delay healing.

When your ankle hurts so badly that you can't walk, you have probably injured more than a few strands of the important supporting ligaments. This is a more serious sprain and requires a doctor’s attention. But remember to practice “RICE” on your way to the doctor’s office or the hospital emergency department. In these situations your doctor will immobilize your ankle with a splint, bandage or cast to hold the ankle bones in proper position while the ligaments heal. He or she may also prescribe pain medication. Rarely, when all of the supporting ligaments are torn, surgery becomes necessary to repair the damage.

After one to two days of RICE, it is time to begin a rehabilitative program. It is usually possible to place some or all your weight on the ankle if it is protected with a special support brace. Therapeutic exercises are needed to encourage good range of motion as well as adequate leg muscle strength. Your doctor may teach you these exercises, or you may be referred to a physical therapist for this phase of treatment.

I commonly see individuals with repeated episodes of sprained ankles -- just as you have had. This is often a consequence of failing to take the rehabilitative part of treatment seriously. This is unfortunate because a “once sprained” ankle which becomes a “frequently sprained” one can sustain permanent damage.


"Family Medicine" is a weekly column.

To submit questions, write to: John C. Wolf, D.O., Ohio University College of Osteopathic Medicine, Grosvenor Hall, Athens, Ohio 45701.
 
20 minutes on, 20 off for the ice. Try to keep it elevated. I have weak ankles, myself. They usually turn a lovely shade of purple and black 3-4 days after I twist them.
 
Dr. Mamav says R.I.C.E.

Rest***
Ice
Compression
Elevation

Then you can wrap it in an ankle brace if you hava a lot of walking to do.Ice is good for the first 24 hours then heat to help the healing.

Take care.

I'm not a real dr. just years of experience with being a klutz and working on the flightline:D
 
Ankle sprain rehabilitation:
An interview with a Mayo Clinic specialist


Ankle sprains are among the common injuries in athletes, both professionals and "weekend warriors." Metatarsal stress fractures, though less common than sprains, can also sideline athletes, especially those who run or jump a lot in their sport. We asked Edward Laskowski, M.D., co-director of the Mayo Clinic Sports Medicine Center, Rochester, Minn., and a specialist in physical medicine and rehabilitation to explain how to prevent and treat these injuries.

What is a sprain, and how does it differ from a strain?

We say that ligaments 'sprain' and muscles 'strain.' A ligament connects one bone to another bone. When a ligament is injured by being stretched excessively, it's called a sprain. A strain occurs when muscle fibers are pulled and torn.




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What's the first-line treatment for an ankle sprain?

We use the acronym PRICE to describe the first steps in treating any muscle or joint injury. It stands for:
Protect the injured limb from further injury. You can do this in a variety of ways, using anything from braces to crutches.


Rest the injured limb. Actually, the term I prefer is 'relative rest,' because even with an ankle sprain you are usually able to exercise other muscles to prevent deconditioning. For example, you could use an exercise bicycle, working both your arms and the uninjured leg while resting the injured ankle on a peg. That way you still get three-limb exercise to keep up your cardiovascular conditioning.


Ice application with a cold pack, slush bath or a compression sleeve filled with cold water is the best way to limit swelling after an injury. Try to apply ice as soon as possible after the injury.


Compression is important as well. We often use an elastic wrap or bandage.


Elevation. Keeping the injured limb above heart level whenever possible may prevent or limit swelling.
Do you recommend that people take anti-inflammatory medication such as aspirin or ibuprofen immediately after an ankle sprain?

In this circumstance, I'm not a big fan of anti-inflammatory medications. Early use of these medications may actually cause increased bleeding into the area of injury because they make platelets, which help in clotting blood and sealing wounds, less sticky. So the PRICE approach is really the main thing we rely on.

If someone wants to take acetaminophen in the first couple days or so after an injury, that's OK. But if people apply ice regularly, they probably won't need any medication.

When should people get medical treatment for an ankle sprain?

If an ankle sprain causes significant swelling or makes you hobble, it's advisable to see a physician for a couple of reasons. One is to evaluate the severity of the sprain. Some sprains involve tissue disruption higher up on the ankle or bone fractures, and these need to be treated in a specific way. The other important factor is that we need to teach people how to restore stability to the ankle in a specific way.

We have an adage: 'Pain-free does not mean normal.' After a sprain, there's probably a decrease in your ankle's stability. Even if you get back to walking without pain, the joint may still lack normal stability.

What does stability training involve?

We suggest specific exercises. One exercise is to see how many minutes you can stand on the affected leg. To make this more challenging, you can close your eyes at the same time.

Another exercise is to dribble a basketball while you're standing on the leg with the recovering ankle. Or you can toss a ball, playing catch with someone while you stand on that leg. We also ask people to balance with one leg on a device called a wobble board — a circular disk with a ball attached underneath it. We always like to say that the best brace you can give yourself is your muscle brace. If you develop muscle strength through specific exercises, that's the best protection you can give your ankle.

How can people prevent ankle sprains?

If you're playing a sport that requires a lot of cutting and pivoting, such as tennis or soccer, then the more you can practice those type of maneuvers, the better your muscles will be prepared to meet those demands. If you play soccer, for example, allow extra time to practice dribbling the ball and perform running and cutting drills.

Soccer: Don't go in kicking and screaming



We also recommend stability exercises for prevention of ankle sprains as well as treatment.

Another common injury for active people involves stress fractures of the metatarsal bones. First, can you define the term stress fracture?

A stress fracture, as the name implies, results from an excessive amount of stress to a specific bone. Other fractures are acute — the overload is applied in a significant fashion all at one time, causing the bone to break. In a stress fracture, the overload builds over time, and the bone finally breaks down.

And what are the metatarsal bones?

They connect the ankle bones to the toe bones. In essence, they are the bones of the forefoot.



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How do you treat metatarsal stress fractures?

Sometimes we recommend metatarsal pads that you put in your shoes. These are placed behind the metatarsal bones so that when you walk, your body weight comes down on the pad instead of the bone. In essence, this relieves the bone of mechanical stress. For other people we may use an arch support so that when they run or jump, the problem areas of the foot don't receive so much concentrated stress. In some cases of metatarsal stress fractures, we put people in a walking boot with a rocker bottom or rounded sole. We'll keep them in the boot, sometimes with crutches, to partially unload the limb and permit bone healing. As pain with weight-bearing resolves, use of the boot can be gradually tapered off.

When should people call a doctor to seek treatment of toe or foot pain?

If the pain just isn't going away — if you wait until the morning after the injury and it's still making you limp — that's the time to call a health care professional. I'm referring to persistent pain, with walking or at rest. Certainly if there's swelling about the joint or the toe, that's an indication to see your physician.

The bottom line is to call your doctor any time you experience prolonged pain in your toes or feet that causes you to alter your walking style. If that happens, it's time to have the injury checked out.
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Bruise - I snaped my ankle in 3 places about a year and a half ago and dislocated it at the same time. The best advice I can give you is to rest it for a day or 3 and keep it raised. Then get a bit of elastic cloth (stretchy bandage), make it into a u shape, put the ball of your foot into the bend of the U and hold the ends of the bandage with each hand. Then push your foot forward, stretching the bandage - do this to the left and right too. Do that for a week, then stand on one leg near a wall and throw a tennis ball at the wall and catch it. This will oscilate your ankle joint and exercise all the muscles making them stronger and more flexible than before you twisted it.

:p
 
I don't see how applying rice will do anything. It's just making a mess of the carpet. Maybe I'm using the wrong type. White or brown or basmati? Long or short grain?

Will using rice internally prevent future damage?

Maybe I should re-read the thread. :)
 
1: Picture what you did to cause this condition.
2: Don't do that anymore.
3: Live happily ever after.
 
Bruise, eating rice thrown at weddings causes wild birds to explode. Beware!
 
Originally posted by Aardvark
Bruise, eating rice thrown at weddings causes wild birds to explode. Beware!

Speaking of wedding rice...

I remember going to a wedding as a kid... Me and a cousin conspired to throw the rice with an underhand motion. We figured it would be funny to see the reaction of the happy couple when they got a handful of rice in their faces.

Alas, projectiles were not issued at that particular wedding. :(

I was kinda snotty as a kid I think. :)
 
Yvsa is right about the ice. They've even found it works over a day afterwards.

When my skull was broken up I kept icing it for a couple weeks. Removed the swelling and discoloration.

Made my brain feel cool and refreshed too.






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Bruise, I don't know which part of the world you are living in, but if you can get your hands on some Tiger Balm, it would be great.

Tiger Balm is a cream-like substance that is specifically invented for such sprains.

It is quite well known in South-East Asia.

Other than that, I would advocate lots of creative visualisation and deep breathing.
 
Dr. Mamav says R.I.C.E.
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Originally posted by golok .......Tiger Balm is a cream-like substance that is specifically invented for such sprains............... I would advocate lots of ...... breathing.
Definately lots of breathing.
:D

http://www.tigerbalm.com/02_whatis.htm

"-Tiger Balm is one of the world's leading topical analgesics, with a soothing action that relieves muscular aches and pains.
Tiger Balm's unique formulation contains camphor, menthol, cajuput oil and clove oil.
-Today, Tiger Balm comes in two versions, the mint oil-scented Tiger Balm white, and Tiger Balm red with its comforting aroma of cinnamon oil. "
 
originaly posted by Mamev:
Dr. Mamav says R.I.C.E.

Rest***
Ice
Compression
Elevation

Then you can wrap it in an ankle brace if you hava a lot of walking to do.Ice is good for the first 24 hours then heat to help the healing.

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I've always done that when I damaged myself. I've always got better. Lately, as I got older, it's taken longer each time though.
 
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