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After reading the responses to the knife attack in England,I felt it an opportune moment to offer this writer's perspective.

This is a hot controversial viewpoint and is likely to stir deepseated emotional conflicts both political and religious.

I encourage conservatives only to go past this point,in the spirit of peace on earth and goodwill to men.

The link is:
http://anncoulter.com/

Her article is entitled:Happy Giving Tree Festival To All, And To All A Good Night! :D

The rumor that the Democrats in Congress are asking for a Special Investigator to analyse the saliva DNA on the stamps used to mail out Secretary of Defense Rumsfelds' KIA(killed in action) condolence letters has not been confirmed.Senior Democrats want to know if Rummy actually licked the stamps himself rather than a mechanical device or staff members.
Unknown Quote: Crazy is as crazy does.
 
I think that this is crazier:
From Yahoo news.... The main thrust of the news story is that our State Dept. and Army had no plan for post invasion. After all, why plan if the people there were going to bring us flowers and chocolate?
Why have enough soldiers, as General Shinseke requested, if they are just going to give us flowers - according to Cheyney? For months, our gov't denied there was an insurgency. It worked for the election, but reality stepped in to hurt our sons and daughters who are over there right now.
I think that we should either give the army all it needs to win, or get out. We can not get out, so we should really suppport our troops.
15,000 more will not do it. Some more armor might help. We should have learned our lessons from Vietnam. You can't fight a guerilla war with less than 10 times the number of troops in the opposition and expect to win.

From Yahoo News:
The U.S. military invaded Iraq (news - web sites) without a formal plan for occupying and stabilizing the country and this high-level failure continues to undercut what has been a "mediocre" Army effort there, an Army historian and strategist has concluded.

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"There was no Phase IV plan" for occupying Iraq after the combat phase, writes Maj. Isaiah Wilson III, who served as an official historian of the campaign and later as a war planner in Iraq. While a variety of government offices had considered the possible situations that would follow a U.S. victory, Wilson writes, no one produced an actual document laying out a strategy to consolidate the victory after major combat operations ended."

You can read the rest of the story at Yahoo.com
 
When a client walks out of a Mental Health center and after he drives off his therapist tells the others "That guy is CRAZY! " or else says " That kid is going to grow up to shoot the President! "

Alternatively, one day another social worker and I met with a guy, and as a result I came home from work, walked past my wife and mother-in-law to the bedroom where I loaded a 41 mag M58, put two speedloaders in my pocket, grabbed a Detective Special and some speedloaders for it, and walked back out with both guns,telling wife and mother-in-law " I'll be back shortly, I have to go see Valerie " ( the other other social worker ) to whom I offered the D.S..

That was in my younger days. Today, with a superior knowledge of human behavior I'd grab my FN/FAL and a load of magazines.
 
So documents are written by auto pen and have been for some time. Some people want to make a big deal out of Rumfeld's letters to family survivors of Iraq casualties because of this?

munk
 
munk said:
So documents are written by auto pen and have been for some time. Some people want to make a big deal out of Rumfeld's letters to family survivors of Iraq casualties because of this?

munk
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Some say it is an orchestrated attempt by the mainstream media and the bluies to destroy Don Rumsfeld.
 
If that's the only dirt they can dig up on the guy, he's probably doing a pretty good job.
 
Rusty said:
...Today, with a superior knowledge of human behavior I'd grab my FN/FAL and a load of magazines.
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I would think that with a superior knowledge of human behavior you would move somewhere else and get a different job.
 
Asking me to take something seriously that Ann Coulter said would be about like asking Munk to read one of Michael Moore's books. ;)

As far as signing the letters I guess all the Defense Secretaries have done it before, and that's why they are saying that.

I guess it doesn't bother me that much since I just see it as a pattern that Rumsfeld has of basically viewing the military the same way a sweatshop owner views his employees.

When it is possible to use the troops as a buffer against criticisim against him personally, then he holds the troops high, but they are just a means to an end for him.

When the generals argued that we would need hundreds of thousands of troops to keep order in Iraq he ignored them.

Study after study of government services being contracted out to private companies have shown that they almost always end up costing the taxpayers more, yet we have contracted out so many military services to contractors when this money could have been spent arming the troops better.

So while I don't see this as a big thing in absence of his pattern of disrespect for the military, I also think it's interesting how the right wing propaganda machine is already working on trying to neutralize the issue. Heck, it's even already found it's way onto this sight ;)

" One witness to a meeting recalled Rumsfeld confronting General Eric Shinseki, the Army Chief of Staff, in front of many junior officers. “He was looking at the Chief and waving his hand,” the witness said, “saying, ‘Are you getting this yet? Are you getting this yet?’”

Gradually, Rumsfeld succeeded in replacing those officers in senior Joint Staff positions who challenged his view. “All the Joint Staff people now are handpicked, and churn out products to make the Secretary of Defense happy,” the planner said. “They don’t make military judgments—they just respond to his snowflakes.”

In the months leading up to the war, a split developed inside the military, with the planners and their immediate superiors warning that the war plan was dangerously thin on troops and matériel, and the top generals—including General Tommy Franks, the head of the U.S. Central Command, and Air Force General Richard Myers, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff—supporting Rumsfeld. After Turkey’s parliament astonished the war planners in early March by denying the United States permission to land the 4th Infantry Division in Turkey, Franks initially argued that the war ought to be delayed until the troops could be brought in by another route, a former intelligence official said. “Rummy overruled him.”http://www.newyorker.com/printable/?fact/030407fa_fact1
 
Well, Hollow- I did see Michael Moore's movie 9-11. It was propaganda. We are to believe Bin Laden escaped because of oil deals with the Bush's....uh huh.

My take on Coulter is she is a brilliant women who unfortunately indulges herself in the same insult game as her democratic critic peers.

But if I had to judge who possessed the most reality, Coulter or a Shumur, it would be Coulter. She's better looking too.

Why you and arty return to the Iraq war is perplexing. If you inspected WWll in the same manner you would conclude we lost.

munk
 
munk said:
Well, Hollow- I did see Michael Moore's movie 9-11.
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Well you got me beat! I have only watched Fox News twice and both times it was like for 5 minutes.

First one was like 10 minutes after the planes hit the WTC. They had Ole Pumpkinhead Newt(Gingrich) on there and he was wasting no time on blaming Clinton for it. Didn't suprise me since he has been blamed for every GOP fiasco since Marlin Fitzwaters piles. ;) That's one thing that really amazes me about the neocons. They talk about ownership society, but are just like little kids as far as blaming someone else and refusing to take responsibility for their mistakes.

Second was in the run up to the the Iraq war. They did a peice on Iraq then they were showing a film of Saddam and playing Linda Ronstadts "You're No Good" as a soundtrack to it. I thought it seemed more like a commercial than news so I walked out of the room. (wasn't my TV)

On the other hand I could set and listen to William F Buckley no problem. Fox and the new conservative folks are so ignorant politics of the bully just like Rush. Buckley, you might not have agreed with him but at least you could follow his logic, he's an intelligent man.
 
munk said:
Why you and arty return to the Iraq war is perplexing. If you inspected WWll in the same manner you would conclude we lost.

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I returned to Rumsfeld's handling of the war because I was saying the automatic pen thing was nothing in and of itself, but had the power it did as a story when viewed in the context of his overall attitude toward the military.

As far as WW2, remind me how long the Nazi insurgency lasted? Also compare the amount we spent in Germany post war with what we've spend in Iraq post war and I think you'll find the investment in Germany paid off. ;)
 
Clearblue, your last link was neat because it addressed a fear I've had for some time.

We know the Second Amendment is an individual right, the framers wrote it so, Historians agree. But lets say a Supreme Court packed with liberals decide otherwise. Well, it's no longer an individual right, right? That becomes reality.

Likewise, if socialism is failing, culture disapearing, there isn't any need to recognize this if a majority of the people think it's great. If after all the money we flushed down the toilet on Johnson's social programs, The Great Society, haven't proven anything to us, we can just keep spending money, right?

A majority of Democrats do believe the 2000 election was stolen. Socialist economies in Western Europe aren't doing well, but their people think the US sucks eggs and would not wish to live here.

Michael Moore is a liar- but his film won the awards. So did Bellisile's book, but they had to take that back after too much data arrived to the contrary.

My fear- Reality is up for grabs to the strongest, or most. Or whatever CBS and Dan Rather says it is.

We won't drill in Anwar because it's only 'six months supply of oil" Turns out 'six months supply of oil', if that's what it is, and nobody's sure, is the amount equal to what we would buy from Saudi for 30 years.

We can't arrive at the truth of any issue. It's not allowed. We're too stupid. And that makes it perfect for the biggest lies, or best misunderstanding, to win.

munk
 
<<As far as WW2, remind me how long the Nazi insurgency lasted? >

Would you still ask this if we could handle Iraq the way we handled Germany in the 40's? I think not.

<< Also compare the amount we spent in Germany post war with what we've spend in Iraq post war and I think you'll find the investment in Germany paid off>>>

This is interesting. If I could conduct history from hindsight, I would be very wise.

<<< Well you got me beat! I have only watched Fox News twice and both times it was like for 5 minutes.>>

You must be distressed to know that Fox leads cable and Satelite all news providers, and if growth trends continue, will overun the Network's coverage numbers in several years.

munk
 
This isn't in the Christmas spirit, or so it seems to me. Let's wait till the new year to get unfriendly.
 
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