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benchmades 10402-1
these 2 b.m.s are chinese made & about 16 months old.i really tire of detractions of off shore cutlery quality. i believe you will find it difficult to discern blade - backspring juncture of model on right. these are same models purchased about 1 month apart & the alloy is listed as 9cr13.
car.--.85,cr.- 13.5,colbalt--1.o,moly--.2 & van--.2
lest one sneer at .85 carbon please remember carbon in 3v is .8. recent catra english tests rate 3v as 20% more enduring in cutting than s30. do i buy chinese ? no i buy gec, spydie & b.m.however one that denigrates foreign knives: your premises are invalid. incidently these knives are great cutters.this is not a political statement just an observation.model # 10402-1. retail 70$
dennis
 
didnt bechmade discontinue there chinese line? im not knocking there are some well made chinese made knives. certainly helps you get a knife at a lower price point. Benchmade and Spyderco both seem to maintain there quality control in there offshore knife production. on the other hand there are alot of very cheaply made knives that i think most of the readers will agree. these are the knock offs and theme blades that for the most part dont appear to even use a real knife steel in there construction, they really give the quality knives a black eye.
i like to buy american blades when i can. But i dont shy away from a knife made in seki city japan or taiwan if there of first rate quality at there price point.
 
i do'nt know if b.m. has dropped all the chinese line but the two knives i showed are definitely b.m. chinese models. the one on left is partially open, the right one is locked fully open.the only point i'm trying to impress is any modern country given enough profit for the effort can make as good a knife as any where else in the world.
dennis
 
You're probably are correct there. But I make very effort to support US workers and US jobs. I check the tag/label on everything I buy, and if it says China, I don't buy it. But that's just me.
 
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Denis, I wasn't sure what you were trying to say in your opening post. I got it now.



link2derek said:
if it says China, I don't buy it.
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I try to do the same. Mostly because of political reasons. I know that China can make a quality product, and I don't think that anyone who is paying attention can disagree.
 
I have a Benchmade Mini-Pika II with FRN handles. I bought it specifically to try the 9Cr13MoVCo alloy and to compare it to the more common 8CR13MoV. I found the 9Cr13MoVCo to hold an edge better:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=523331

Aside from that, I agree with Dennis: Lack of Quality is not a reason to avoid Chinese-made cutlery.
 
link2derek said:
I check the tag/label on everyhting I buy, and if it says China, I don't buy it. But that's just me.
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+1. :thumbup:

...although I don't do it for any political reason. I do it because I've never found that any Chinese made goods I've bought measured up to their American, Japanese, Canadian, German, or British counterparts. I'm sure most chinese made goods meet most peoples' standards, and that's fine - they can spend their money on what they like. For my money, though, I don't see why, if I could afford to buy either one, I would buy a mediocre quality 'bargain' chinese tool when I could buy a better quality one made to higher standards elsewhere.

I've found this to be the case with most tools, whether they be planes, chisels, hammers, axes, or even power tools. An inexpensive chinese-made block plane (ex: Mastercraft) is fine for most people, but I'd rather spend a little extra on a Veritas and get a much better quality product. By the same token, I'm sure most people find that Byrd, BM red-class or Sanrenmu knives work just fine for their purposes, but to me it's worth it to spend a little more and get a product which I can confidently rely upon.
 
it seems i'm not good at comminicating. i said i did'nt buy chinese, i only said that people whom think foriegn cutlery is substandard are uninformed. if you notice the tolerances on the pictured knife will put tolerances on most american knives to shame. i do'nt understand how all you guys keep thinking that i'm promoting chinese cutlery. i do understand now the difficulty that many members show in the testing section when trying to perceive the info someone is trying to convey. please show me where i advocate buying chinese cutlery. i do'nt know if i'm a poor comminicater of whether some members ca'nt read.
dennis
 
Good review Dennis much appreciated. It made me give second thought into my Pika's that have been sitting in a shoe box in my closet. I think you're right on the money in saying that many imported knives are of very surprising quality for the price paid. Its amazing really. I've got a mini Pika II and two different styles of the full size because my local brick and mortar store was closing them out and I got them for like 70% off. I was surprised to find that the belt/satin finish on the blades were all very smooth and nicely done and the edge bevels were all very consistent and much more acute than most production knives. I also really liked the 9cr13. It reminded me of 440c quite a bit in using it. I liked how easy it was to get back up to hair popping sharp just by running it over the strop. All together very good knives for the price.

Yes it is true that Benchmade will no longer be making any knives overseas. All of their production from now on will be made in the good ol' USA. This does not include it's off shoot companies like Harley Davidson, Heckler & Koch...

I think that there was a mix up somewhere in this thread on the whole china made contraversy. It's obvious to me that you're not advocating buying chinese knives Dennis. I think its more just some people are stating their opinion that they don't personally like to buy Chinese made knives, not that they are dissing you because you do. I personally don't mind buying a knife made overseas as long as it has the quality. That said, I do much prefer buying knives made in USA.
 
I believe lack of quality is a good reason to avoid the majority of Chinese cutlery. I'm sure there will be some exceptions.
 
I don't have any Chinese-produced knives, but my main gigging guitar(an Eastwood Classic 12 electric 12-string) is made there by a Canadian company. Best guitar I've ever used-sounds great, plays easily, stays in tune, and is the equal of most domestic guitars costing far more.
 
I bought two this weekend. They are patterns made buy a defunked USA company that I have an like very much. They are traditional in nature and are marked with the same brand name as the former company that made them.

Both knifes have issues but are useable. The first is a two blade design and the issue is mostly with the second blade. It opens easier than the first and will not close completely on its own due to rubbing on the brass liner. It is in my pocket today as i plan on working it to death to see if it will wear in. The blade is very sharp but other than shaving arm hair with it I've not cut anything. We'll see about durability and how well the edge holds up. Cost was $22.00 and I give it a C-.

Next was a slim line trapper (single blade) with a liner lock of sorts. The one I have made by the former USA company had done more things for me than any other knife I own. I simply wanted a replacement so I could retire the first. I'm pretty happy with it even though the forgot to file off one of the pins holding the stag and there is a gap between the stag and the brass liner on one end. Cost $16.00 and I give it a B+.

The Schrade USA sure appear to be better made than the Taylors I just bought.

I'm still looking for a good Slim line 4" Trapper with a liner lock if anyone knows of one made for under $100. If not I may have to save my pennys and have a custom made.

Schrade has about 10 trqditional patterns I really like and cannot fine anywhere else. After the first two I'm not sure I can take a chance on the China Taylors. I guess I see if I can get these two worn in and go from there.
 
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