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Our Scottish friends are losing thier knives
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I read that article somewhere on another forum. They took away the guns now the tool of choice is the knife.
What was interesting on that forum was that it looked like a majority of the British forumites supported the law.
What was interesting on that forum was that it looked like a majority of the British forumites supported the law.
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Hard to believe the people of William Wallace would allow this...
What true Scot wears a kilt without a Skean Dhu?
That politician doesn't get it- it's about the CRIME, not the knives.
Put a vicious law on the books for the animals that commit CRIMES with knives/guns/cricket bats...
Too bad. Scotland is a beautiful place. Much better food than touristy Ireland. Many cool castles. Guess they've forgotten the freedom they fought for with their blades.
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What true Scot wears a kilt without a Skean Dhu?
That politician doesn't get it- it's about the CRIME, not the knives.
Put a vicious law on the books for the animals that commit CRIMES with knives/guns/cricket bats...
Too bad. Scotland is a beautiful place. Much better food than touristy Ireland. Many cool castles. Guess they've forgotten the freedom they fought for with their blades.
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"It is my very strong view, and it is a view shared by the Cabinet, that far too many young men, particularly in Scotland, view the carrying or using of knives or offensive weapons as an acceptable practice. It is not acceptable. The law in Scotland must be clear, the system must protect innocent victims and the culture of Scotland, particularly in our cities, in relation to knives and violent crime, must change."
"The sale of swords in Scotland today is fundamentally wrong. There can be no reason for people buying swords off the street for use or to have in their homes."
Well, replace "knives" with "handguns" and "swords" with "assault weapons" and this sounds quite similar to what the anti-gun crowd is saying over here.
"The sale of swords in Scotland today is fundamentally wrong. There can be no reason for people buying swords off the street for use or to have in their homes."
Well, replace "knives" with "handguns" and "swords" with "assault weapons" and this sounds quite similar to what the anti-gun crowd is saying over here.
Have a sibling in a Scottish pipe band... they can/must wear the Skean Dhu, but it's against the law if it's sharpened (so I am told). This is a crying shame. there several excellent swordsmiths and many good knifemakers in Scotland. typical politician though, don't tackle the problem just the easiest of the symptoms. The British have become well accustomed to loosing their rights in the name of "crime control", this is simply an extension of the "nanny state" that The UK has become> Expect to see it in other ex- colonies( its already happened in Queensland, Australia).
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What struck me was the phrasing of stopping and searching people whom the police SUSPECT of carrying weapons.
One interpretation would be this is "profiling" as it has been described in the U.S. I don't know British/Scottish law, but it seems to enable the LEOs to stop and search anyone, anytime under the guise of the "suspicion" of weapon carrying.
58 murders per million. Wonder what deaths by alcohol abuse are? Car accidents? How about obesity? Would this then suggest that liquor, cars and food should be restricted or disallowed?
Gotta luv politicians.
One interpretation would be this is "profiling" as it has been described in the U.S. I don't know British/Scottish law, but it seems to enable the LEOs to stop and search anyone, anytime under the guise of the "suspicion" of weapon carrying.
58 murders per million. Wonder what deaths by alcohol abuse are? Car accidents? How about obesity? Would this then suggest that liquor, cars and food should be restricted or disallowed?
Gotta luv politicians.
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Would this then suggest that liquor, cars and food should be restricted or disallowed?
When you elect a politician because of his willingness to infringe upon your freedoms. He will continue to do so, irrespective of the facts, in order to placate his base. To do otherwise, would be tantamount to an admission that he has outlived his usefullness, or has become irrelevant. He must continue to ban things; if not guns then knives, if not knives then sissors, if not sissors then the clothing purportedly worn by gang members. It continues to grow increasingly irrational until the population gets fed up and says no.
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When you elect a politician because of his willingness to infringe upon your freedoms. He will continue to do so, irrespective of the facts, in order to placate his base. To do otherwise, would be tantamount to an admission that he has outlived his usefullness, or has become irrelevant. He must continue to ban things; if not guns then knives, if not knives then sissors, if not sissors then the clothing purportedly worn by gang members. It continues to grow increasingly irrational until the population gets fed up and says no.
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To all excellent knifemakers and swordsmiths in Scotland:
Welcome to America. We would be glad to have you.
Welcome to America. We would be glad to have you.
There we go again.. It's both sad and funny. Funny in a sarcastic way, plus because I don't live in Scotland. Sad, well, because it's sad.
On a seemingly unrelated note, here is a fresh quote from Justice Minister of Scotland, Cathy Jamieson:
"The Executive is working closely with the police to create a safer, stronger Scotland. I am encouraged by today's statistics which show that the number of offences involving the use of a firearm has decreased by nine per cent in the past year and is 50 per cent lower than 1992." This quote was published in Safer Scotland, 10/27/04. It takes good advantage of buzzwords (safer and stronger) and much like the rest of her speech cleverly avoids the unpleasant subject of overall crime.
As long as there is a list of things suitable for killing, something will always top it, be it a rope, a rock, or a pencil. I wish someone would explain both Cathy Jamieson and Jack McConnell that by committing to stripping off "next most dangerous item on the list" soon enough theyll be banning silverware, while - and this is the best part - while still not seeing any improvement in crime situation in general. Politicians will, however, observe the obvious - drop in crime involving the freshly banned item on the list - and claim it as a credit to themselves, wisely ignoring the fact that in the essence they did nothing to help the situation. Read the quote again. Duh, of course "the number of offences involving the use of a firearm" decreased, but guess what? it happened because the criminals who would've been shooting people, are now stabbing them.
It's silly to expect that a politician would admit own mistakes, much more likely that they would put knives on trial instead. And this is happening!!
Is it just me, or does this quote by Cathy Jamieson look very humorous in the context of this anti-knife initiative of her colleague in politics, Jack McConnell?
On a seemingly unrelated note, here is a fresh quote from Justice Minister of Scotland, Cathy Jamieson:
"The Executive is working closely with the police to create a safer, stronger Scotland. I am encouraged by today's statistics which show that the number of offences involving the use of a firearm has decreased by nine per cent in the past year and is 50 per cent lower than 1992." This quote was published in Safer Scotland, 10/27/04. It takes good advantage of buzzwords (safer and stronger) and much like the rest of her speech cleverly avoids the unpleasant subject of overall crime.
As long as there is a list of things suitable for killing, something will always top it, be it a rope, a rock, or a pencil. I wish someone would explain both Cathy Jamieson and Jack McConnell that by committing to stripping off "next most dangerous item on the list" soon enough theyll be banning silverware, while - and this is the best part - while still not seeing any improvement in crime situation in general. Politicians will, however, observe the obvious - drop in crime involving the freshly banned item on the list - and claim it as a credit to themselves, wisely ignoring the fact that in the essence they did nothing to help the situation. Read the quote again. Duh, of course "the number of offences involving the use of a firearm" decreased, but guess what? it happened because the criminals who would've been shooting people, are now stabbing them.
It's silly to expect that a politician would admit own mistakes, much more likely that they would put knives on trial instead. And this is happening!!
Is it just me, or does this quote by Cathy Jamieson look very humorous in the context of this anti-knife initiative of her colleague in politics, Jack McConnell?
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I got in a heated discussion today. My opponents believe that we shouldn't have handguns or AWs. Argument: They're meant to kill people...
...DUH!!!
Defense is the reason to own such things, right!?! Along with sport. It's like there's something wrong with self-defense. A 3-minute response time is good for police. It's not good enough if somebody comes through the front door.
...DUH!!!
Defense is the reason to own such things, right!?! Along with sport. It's like there's something wrong with self-defense. A 3-minute response time is good for police. It's not good enough if somebody comes through the front door.
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the UK government (also known as the national socialist labour party - where have i heard that one before?) have just announced that they are also going to remove the right to a trial by jury, set up 'special' laws to allow anyone defined as a terrorist (read as 'opposition') to be picked up & held without trial indefinitely, and will be bringing in laws to make carrying of biometric ID cards madatory in order to allow them to track our every move and descision, party memberships, purchases ,etc., membership in legal political parties can be used to bar people from government jobs.
they have just outlawed hunting with dogs, will soon i am sure outlaw all hunting.
guns went a while ago. water pistols and anything remotely gun shaped brings a police armed response team. knives over 2.5 in are illegal outside the home, and any fixed blade or folding blade with a blade lock, no matter how short. knives legal inside the home are condsidered deadly weapons if you use them to defend yourself or your family by violating a criminals rights to break in on you.
i guess the next step is to have a nice dull 2in. long community butter knife chained to the water pump in the village common so we can all take turns buttering our bread. of course the chain must not be over 6in long to prevent anyone frightening the next person in line.
welcome to the 21st century.
they have just outlawed hunting with dogs, will soon i am sure outlaw all hunting.
guns went a while ago. water pistols and anything remotely gun shaped brings a police armed response team. knives over 2.5 in are illegal outside the home, and any fixed blade or folding blade with a blade lock, no matter how short. knives legal inside the home are condsidered deadly weapons if you use them to defend yourself or your family by violating a criminals rights to break in on you.
i guess the next step is to have a nice dull 2in. long community butter knife chained to the water pump in the village common so we can all take turns buttering our bread. of course the chain must not be over 6in long to prevent anyone frightening the next person in line.
welcome to the 21st century.
I am a bit p155ed myself, living here - I am just glad I got my WWII and Mora a couple of months ago. Might not make it through customs now. It reminds me of a program about guns in the USA when a LEO was asked if they should ban guns "NO" he said "The people who would actually obey the law aren't the ones misusing guns and it is these people who should have the right to protect themselves" Wish he was Minister for Justice here.
Every gun/knife/hunting law is a knee jerk reaction to win more votes IMO. If you don't fight for your rights then expect to lose them. Only now in my 30's do I realise that all it takes to lose your rights is apathy.
Every gun/knife/hunting law is a knee jerk reaction to win more votes IMO. If you don't fight for your rights then expect to lose them. Only now in my 30's do I realise that all it takes to lose your rights is apathy.
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war kills more innocent civilians than knives or guns held by private citizens, yet governments won't let us directly vote on them.
If all weapons were outlawed would we have less killing. YES. But it would be a LOT LESS FUN, and then what would be next?
Drugs are illegal but still pretty easy to get and probably less safe than if they were legal. Abortion when it was illegal was still obtainable although at greater danger to the mother. Same with booze.
As long as politicians think they are GAINING more votes than LOSING them from restricting freedom I think they will. I think that in the US we are holding the line right now. But as our society becomes more urbanized we will go that way too. I don't have any kids, but you that do: Teach them to hunt! Go shooting with them! Don't let them be willing to give up their rights because they see no need for them. We are already paving the way with drug dogs, drug testing and locker searches in school.
If all weapons were outlawed would we have less killing. YES. But it would be a LOT LESS FUN, and then what would be next?
Drugs are illegal but still pretty easy to get and probably less safe than if they were legal. Abortion when it was illegal was still obtainable although at greater danger to the mother. Same with booze.
As long as politicians think they are GAINING more votes than LOSING them from restricting freedom I think they will. I think that in the US we are holding the line right now. But as our society becomes more urbanized we will go that way too. I don't have any kids, but you that do: Teach them to hunt! Go shooting with them! Don't let them be willing to give up their rights because they see no need for them. We are already paving the way with drug dogs, drug testing and locker searches in school.
