Outfitting for Yellowstone

Win Heger

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Well, this is a good chance for everyone to get involved. A young lady
friend of mine is going to be working for Yellowstone Park Service
Stations this Summer. I need some suggestions on what she should bring.

As for knives I'm giving her a Wegner Jr and a Pease "swinger" with
a semi-skinner blade.

She is quite petite at 5-1 and 108 LBS. We need a pack, boots, flashlight(s), binos, camera, etc.

Has anyone else worked there?

Thanks,
Win
 
but one that I want to give is to think about "standardizing" batteries... Choose, for example AA batteries. Buy equipment that uses only that battery so that you'll never have batteries you can't use, and when the batteries can't power one item, they might just have enough juice left to power some other item for a while.
 
Good point, MelancholyMutt. And since you already mentioned it, AA batteries are a pretty good choice; not only because of their ready availability, but also because the lithium AAs have an incredible shelf life and share only about half the weight of their alkaline counterparts.
 
Can you give us more info? Are you looking for the very best? The cheapest decent-quality? The lightest? For day-hikes? Weekend backpacking? Week long backpacking? Including rock climbing? Mountaineering? Serious photographer or snapshooter?

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She should be prepared for moderately cold weather, even in Summer. There are t-shirt days, but the temperatures can drop rapidly at any time of year. I remember my first trip to Yellowstone... stepping out of the car, surprised by the chill winds. It started to snow a few minutes later. That was in late July.

She should also have a cannister of bear repellent (oleoresin capsaicin spray).
 
On the pack, I recommend kelty. They make good quality packs, and for someone her size, you won't need a very big one. They are also rather inexpensive. I recommend asolo for the boots. They have several nice models.

Jeff
 
Thanks for the help so far. I think the battery idea is great.

This might pinpoint her needs a little. She'll have limited time off, so most of her hiking will be day trips. I'm not looking for the best, but will spend a little extra for good quality.

The weather tip is great, yesterday she was shocked when I told her to bring long pants. She does have a couple of Polartec pullovers. I
also read the thread on the windbreakers and will follow up on one of those.

I think for a camera a small 35 is probably best. Maybe a Minolta
Weathermatic style.

We're going to go to a store that sells backpacking eqiup and try some
boots and packs.

Please keep the ideas coming, we have a couple of weeks to shop.

Win
 
Originally posted by Bronco
Good point, MelancholyMutt. And since you already mentioned it, AA batteries are a pretty good choice; not only because of their ready availability, but also because the lithium AAs have an incredible shelf life and share only about half the weight of their alkaline counterparts.

Consider me a huge endorser of lithium AAs. I've been powering a portable CD player off them steadily for three months now and the battery gauge is still full bar. They are way worth the extra money. I don't know why I didn't use them before.
 
Camera? Take a look at the Yashica T-4. Tiny, very water resistant, it uses a Zeiss lens. Tough. Carried by a lot of serious back country ounce parers Take a look here: And if you're interested in digital, they make a good tiny one of those. When you'll be carrying it for 3 months, tiny & tough is good.

I suggest a good wind shirt, and if she doesn't like long pants, I suggest she brings along 'wind pants' for bad days and some polypro long johns to wear with good shorts, like Patagonia baggies. The 'tights under shorts' look may seem odd in midtown, but it's pretty common out in the weeds. Some fleece gear with or without windproofing, and some good socks are important. I like Superwool. Boots, I like Danner and Asolo, YMMV.

Bring some clothes pins and paracord, a bottle of Woolite or Duds Suds until she knows what kind of laundry facilities there are on hand. Better to carry 5 lbs fewer clothes and 5 oz extra soap. You can buy a few extra empty PE bottles from REI and fill 'em from home, cheap.

(While you're filling those flasks...I fill a clean 8 oz flask with bourbon or rum, keep it in with the toiletries for medicinal purposes)

Flashlights: I like the Princeton Tec line. If you choose AAA batteries, I like the Rage light. For AA, give the Tec 20 and Tec 40 , or their 8 battery Surge a look (I love my Surge, but the Rage goes on more campouts). If you settle on AA batteries, you can also get NIMH batteries and a AC or solar recharger. Saves money in the long run. I save Lithium batteries for those lights that sit in the car, Lithium's keep their charge a LONG time.
 
Here's another cool item for you to take a look at, Win; the Exstream personal water purification system. Unfortunately, these days even the water at Yellowstone isn't pure enough to drink untreated. From the outside the Exstream looks pretty much just like your typical sports water bottle. But hidden inside is a self contained 3 stage water purifier. Just unscrew the lid and connected filtration unit, fill up the bottle, replace the lid and you're good to go. Provided there are natural water sources in the areas she'll be hiking, she can save a lot of weight by not having to pack along all her water.

You can read more about it here:

http://www.teamhighprofile.com/Reviews/exstream/
 
For a small fully-automatic camera, I recommend the Olympus Stylus. It's small, light, and has an excellent Zeiss f/2.8 lens. It does well with metering and exposing in complex lighting conditions. It's not fully waterproof, but it can handle sustained heavy rain.

Lens quality usually only matters if the photographer sometimes stabilizes the camera while taking the picture (such as putting it down and using the timer, putting it on a tripod, etc.) If she is going to hand-hold every shot, the pictures will not usually be sharp enough to experience the benefits of a higher quality lens.

A good supersmall tripod is REI's Ultrapod, which weighs about 2 ounces, and is about 5 inches long. It costs about $10.

(By the way, I'm a professional nature photographer.)

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For illumination, I think healamps are much nicer for extended use than flashlights. It is much better to have your hands available. The new LED headlamps are very light, and last far longer on a set of batteries than a headlamp with incandescent bulbs.

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Even though this book is an extremely creepy read, before she lives in Yellowstone she should thoroughly read and learn Stephen Herrero's Bear Attacks: Their Causes and Avoidance.

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For mid-priced, durable, comfortable daypacks, I like the offering by Mountainsmith.

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I like water bladders with drinking tubes better than water bottles. They weigh less, hold more water, take up less room in your pack as you drink, are more convenient to use, and are more durable. I like the offering by Ultimate, but there are plenty of good brands available. Platypus makes a super-light, collapseable water bottle.
 
You might get her a little survival kit. Stuff like matches, water purification tabs, small led light, signal mirror, whistle, firestarter, paracord, compass and stuff like that.

They have some at TAD www.tadgear.com and www.jungletraining.com Here's a link to the kits by Jeff Randall. www.jungletraining.com/coming.htm

You can use the ones they sell...or you can make one by yourself for a lot cheaper if you have the time to gather all the stuff. You can check out what the companies put in their kits for an idea.

Also be good to get some books, like "Mountaineering, Freedom of the Hills" if she doesn't have a lot of outdoor experience. Lots of good information in it.
 
Like the man said "You are gonna get a lot of replies" lol

I did three months in OZ last year camping. What is she going to use as a stove?

Get a good alu/titanium wind shield, very inmportant!

The biggest mistake I made was not getting the right socks. Painful feet are a nusiance, look into the socks carefully.

As for a lantern. Wouldnt bother. Get a 4~5 LED flashlight that runs on 123's (24 hr burn time)

lighters, get a Brunton Helios or a Windmill Delta (30 mins on 1 refil and waterproof, within reason)

Tools/knives Leatherman Wave (The ONLY choice IMHO)

Boots, go the whole hog and get a pair of Scarpa (Beautiful Italian made, the cats meow)

Get a decent Polartec fleece with the windbreaker built in and the reinforcing patches on the elbows and shoulder for the pack straps.

Get a windbreaker only (Goretex)

Back Pack, Berghaus are really tough I have a 100L (Crusader) been all around the world and still going strong.

Water filter, the bottle sounds like a great idea. My Katadyn is OK and has a 1 billion gallon element before replacement is necessary but its a paint to pump, not to mention slow.


Compas, GPS the list goes on :)

What else does she need?

Bob
 
My preferences for day hiking (long!):

Asolo boots- esp for folks with high arches. Pick your favorite, but stay away from anything that does not have a full leather upper unless you are guaranteed that you will not encounter water. I like Vibram rubber soles, they last a long time and are reasonably grippy on wet rock. If you want to buy a leather conditioner there is one that looks like a jar of wax - has a blue top - that I have found works the best, sorry, can't find mine right now. I have not had good luck with the Nikwax stuff at all. Oh, and break them in BEFORE you go. This will save a lot of grief.

Smartwool socks in conjuction WITH a base layer of polypropylene sock liners- the liners act like a moleskin sheath and reduce friction between foot and sock. In addition, they are very thin so they won't muck up the sock and boot combination that you have so carefully chosen, and they also cost very little. GO with the coolmax brand liners, they are more "slippery" than the one's I see at REI.

My daypack is a Kelty, but there are LOTS of brands out there, just make sure to get one with a hip belt and support bars in the backpad. Have the salesfolks check and make sure the pack fits her body!

I use Nalgene bottles, a convenient way to get these guys to do double duty is to wrap duct tape around the middle of the bottle, that gives you some length of tape and no real addition pack space usage. I get the wide mouth variety, it is easier to clean and some water purifier adapters only fit the wide mouth. Get the Lexan variety, (clear/smoker/colored version), and buy at least four. You'll lose a few. Oh that reminds me, engrave your name on the top!!

A camelback/platypus bladder can be convient also, just stash the bladder in the pack and thread the hose around and attach to shoulder strap, but the innards can get pretty manky after a time.

I like the REI convertible pants, there have been quite a few design changes for the better since I bought my pair in 1998 (!) like gusseted pockets, pull tabs on the pockets, flap on rear pockets, but my old design pair STILL has no major tears/problems even having been to bryce, zion, grand canyon, rocky mountains, smoky mountains, olympic (seattle), yosemite, numerous climbing trips, and pierced by cacti on hunting trips and subsequently put through the REAL clothes destroyer- the washer and dryer. (Yes, the cactus poked me too). :(
I really would like to buy a new pair, but I have to destroy these first!!

Pick your fave top layers, most everything from major makers is really nice. Mucho choices, and fashion will likely dictate what you get here. :) I agree with the goretex inner layer- esp good for windproofing. It will not come cheap, though. I really like synthetic base layers for wicking- make sure they fit SNUG, not loosely- that's how wicking works.

Buy a fleece hat if it's a gonna be cold, as well as a lightweight "floppy" nylon variety for the sun. I've got one made by columbia.

Photon II light- in green (battery lasts longest) for emergency light, otherwise the Princeton Tec Matrix 3 led system lasts 40hrs on 2 double A's and is waterproof to 1000ft (should you happen to be combination scuba/dayhiking :rolleyes: ) It has adequate light, and longevity is the name of the game here.

Your knife of choice. I like a small pocketknife and a camping saw for firewood (fallen trees only!) + (prob not necessary if dayhiking). I used to carry my Mad Dog ATAK but I had to make up uses for it. Now it's just a small sebenza.

The big pearl of the day: the Target "Knees-ease" gardening knee pad for 5.99. This sucker is the best buy of all time. An eagle scout I used to camp with gave me the tip. It makes any sitting territory comfortable, keeps your butt clean, reduces wear on the pants, doubles as fan for campfires, whatever. Believe me, folks will make fun of you for carrying one until they are sitting on jagged pebbles and you are lounging in luxury. All for six bucks. And you never have to buy another. ;)

Ok, that's it off the top of my head. I haven't posted for a while, but I'm bitten by the hiking bug again this week- I just got back from the Grand Canyon, took the South Kaibab trail down to the river and the Bright Angel trail up. Now that's a dayhike! *hobbles off wincing in pain*
 
It gets COLD in jellystone at night. One year in Aug we had 1/4 inch of ice on our tent when camping in Jackson Hole. Another time we had 3-4 inches of snow in late July when camping above 10,000 feet.

Without a doubt I'd bring some pants, sweaters and a light to medium jacket.

I'd also put togeather a fanny pack with a couple three space blankets, a whistle (fox brand), krill brand AA powered glow stick, photon flashlight, spyderco endura, extra battries, couple un lubed condoms (water carry device) several power bars of some kind and if possible a bottle or two of water as a minimum and always carry the butpack when out hiking.

Right now we have all kinds of winter snow warnings out for rain, snow and more snow, with up to 9 inches of snow in the mountians :eek: Anybody coming to Wyoming needs to be prepared for some cold/wet weather at night or in the higher elevations year round.
 
Before a trip to that region last year I was compelled to get a Surefire E2 flashlight, and that should be near the top of the list. It's a searchlight in your pocket. About a dozen batteries at $2 each from cheapbatteries.com should last her. See candlepowerforums.com for discussion of vendors of Surefires.

For bear-size pepper spray, there are one-pound units at selfdefenseproducts.com.

Time is too short for arming her with firearms, and you can't carry in a National Park, so let's keep that can of worms closed.
 
Folks I can't tell you how much I appreciate your input.

So far we've come up with:

Kelty Pack, Nalgene bottles, boots, socks (incld. Polypro). A wind shirt, Red Ledge rain gear, Surefire Nitrolon, Photon II in green and red, whistle. $1.00 plastic trowel for you know what.:) A good assortment of clothing, including Polartec pullovers.

Big purchase was an Olympus 35, coming this week.

Still need to assemble first aid kit, and get the "Knees-Eze". Bear
repellent!!

Buying the clothing has been a kick. Not enough "fashion", but we're
getting there.You should have seen her face when she got the boots and a pair of Merrell clogs.

Thanks very much,
Win and Nikki
 
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