OUTRAGE in Bali "Justice" System!

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Bill Marsh

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Hi Everyone

This is something that could so easily happen to any one of us so unwittingly so please join the petition.

Please take a moment to read and sign the following petition to help save Australian citizen Schapelle Corby from death by firing squad in Indonesia.

Schapelle Corby has been detained in a Balinese prison and now awaits sentencing from a panel of judges on whether she will be committed to the death penalty, by a firing squad, for allegedly attempting to import four kilograms of cannabis into Indonesia.

It is disgusting and barbaric in this day and age that a 'death penalty by firing squad' law exists, and that an Australian citizen should be subject to it.

This law is out-dated and inhumane, and considering that convicted terrorist Abu Bakar Bashir has only been sentenced to two years and six months jail (with the prospect of appeal) for his proven 'conspiracy' participation in the Bali bombings that killed 183 people, in the same country, it is inconsistent and absurd that another person should face the death penalty for allegedly smuggling cannabis into the country.

Furthermore, the Australian Government and airlines should be taking more responsibility for this incident in any case, since it is the fault of the Australian airlines/airport that the drugs even left Australia in the first place - which also leaves us to ponder on the security and possible internal corruption of staff working at Australian airports, in light of drug smuggling and terrorism.

We the undersigned demand that the Australian Government, and Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, act responsibly to ensure that, innocent or guilty, Schapelle Corby is returned to Australia and that she does NOT face the 'death penalty by Firing Squad' in Indonesia.

Please copy & paste this petition into a new email & send to all of your contacts who support basic human rights & justice and ask them to send an email signed copy to:

minister.downer@dfat.gov.au

Thank you for your assistance in attempting to save Schapelle Corby.
 
While I agree that it is injustice that a terrorist shall live, and she will die, I find it a bit much to blame the airline if she was truly smuggling drugs (even a relatively benign one). Though I will send an email, no one deserves to die for smuggling marijuana, especially when we coddle violent criminals.
 
If she did indeed commit the crime, why should she not face the consequences? Are Australian citizens above the law?
 
alfred tan said:
If she did indeed commit the crime, why should she not face the consequences? Are Australian citizens above the law?
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There are lots of people here who are quite sure she was setup by criminals taking advantage of lax security at the airline baggage handling system. There is also a certain amount of evidence to suggest that this might in fact be the case.
 
Set up or not, did she willingly take a substance into Indonesia where the penalties are severe?

(I believe Firearms are an intrinsic right. I wouldn't take one into Canada, though, where the penalities are strict.)

In the US Mexico border is is common for amatuers to be set up at the border while the big drug carriers continue.

I do not condone killing someone for drugs. I would legalize many of them.
However, a nation's soverignty needs to be respected, and it's laws understood and obeyed, or don't go there!

I am very sorry for her.
I hope she does get out somehow.

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As for death by firing squad, the problem with it is the shooters do not shoot at the target. That is one reason the US dropped the practise. A little known fact. Even the military had problems with the firing squad. I guess the rifleman are thinking; "he's going to die anyway, let the other guy's bullet do it."
There are incidents where the condemned is completely untouched, and the Squad must reload and shoot again!


munk
 
gajinoz said:
There are lots of people here who are quite sure she was setup by criminals taking advantage of lax security at the airline baggage handling system. There is also a certain amount of evidence to suggest that this might in fact be the case.
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I see, in that case, it is a very different situation than what is stated in the petition mail above. Perhaps pleading for a retrial or deeper investigation would do more good than suggesting that the Balinese are disgusting, inhuman and barbarous. I would personally use those lables for drug smugglers.

alf
 
If she is innocent, I hope that she gets out alright. If she's guilty as charged... Scratch one drug dealer.

Go to a foreign country and you are subject to their laws.

On another note, we had an American youth in a foreign jail for vandalizing cars with spray paint (if I remember correctly) and he was sentenced to be caned. Unfortunately, former President Clinton went to bat for the kid. The kid knew what he was doing and deserved everything he had coming. I bet he doesn't do that sort of garbage any more.
 
Muslims just have different priorities.

Hell, your average Saudi or Palestinian will kill his own daughter for a lot less than that...
 
Death by firing squad isn't any worse then death by eletrocution. I have no problem with either one. In fact, I think a few states still have laws allowing death by firing squad at the inmates discretion. I think the last time it was used was with Gary Gilmore in 1977.

In any case, if she did the crime she needs to face the punishment. Bali is a soverign nation and has the right to enforce its laws within its boundries.
 
Hi Guys
hard to tell if the Corby woman is innocent or not, some wierd stuff said and done when she was first arrested.Certainly a lot of questions to be answered regarding security at Aussie airports.
DON"T ask for any support for the nie idiots who got caughttrying to export heroin, the should all face the consequences of their actions, liberal bleating from Aus notwithstanding.
Phil
 
Dave K said:
Muslims just have different priorities.

Hell, your average Saudi or Palestinian will kill his own daughter for a lot less than that...
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First, Bali is Hindu-Buddhist, not muslim. The various competing Hindu and Buddhist sects in Bali have fused into a single religion known as Bali Hindu or Agama Tirtha, the Religion of the Holy Water.

Second, I don't think that anyone should be shot for pot.

Heroin, cocaine, crack, yeah. Shoot 'em if guilty. I hate those drugs. In fact there were nine others smuggling heroin around the same time and I think that those should face severe consequences.

The bomber in Bali should die slowly and horribly on public television.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National...i/2005/04/18/1113676697608.html?oneclick=true

But pot? Even a lot of pot? Come on! I have known lives ruined by heroin, crack, cocaine -- but pot? Only thing I have against it is that it is curently illegal.

I realize that this argument against her guilt is tenuous. The woman, if guilty, DID know what she was facing and it was a colossaly stupid thing to do. I just don't think that she should die for it.

She says that someone put it in her luggage. Who knows? It would seem to be difficult, but not impossible. Anyhow we are dealing with a very serious penalty for what I consider a relatively minor offense.

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2005/s1356357.htm
Looks like Indonesian law says you are guilty, now prove that you are innocent!? Remind you of the Inquisition?

My wife worked for the Georgia State Senate when one of our senators tried smuggling pot in his underpants!
http://www.ndsn.org/jan98/mj1.html

Guess the Indonesians would have castrated him!

I am doing traveling in the USA and have special locks that I can set a combination and lock my luggage. There is also a keyhole where airline security people (TSA) can open my lock and check my luggage, but when they open it with a key, or anyone else who might have a key opens it, my lock sets a red flag. Then I can take the unopened bag to security and we open it together to be sure nothing was added or removed.

In several months we are hoping to go to Bali. I'll have these locks on my luggage.

Nameste
 
"Looks like Indonesian law says you are guilty, now prove that you are innocent!? Remind you of the Inquisition?"

Hi there, if I'm not mistaken this is an application of the principles of "Roman Law" and is similarly practised in many european countries. it is exactly the legal system under which the Inquisition operated.
The issue of the legality or illegality of dope is too far OT for this forum I think. I do find it hard to believe that a beautician from the Gold Coast would be stupid enough to try the Indonesian authorities on like this. have you read the "camel suit" story from Sydney airport????
Phil
 
Nothing wrong with the drug discussion.

Bill Marsh, what I can't get around is why would you fool with pot in a place where the penalities are so severe? That's on her.
She was stupid.


munk
 
munk said:
Nothing wrong with the drug discussion.

Bill Marsh, what I can't get around is why would you fool with pot in a place where the penalities are so severe? That's on her.
She was stupid.


munk
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Munk, I agree <sigh> stupid. Very, very stupid. Perhaps a Darwin award?

Anyhow I really can't get super worked up over this. If you bend over and say (to the Indonesians) "KICK ME HARD!" I guess you get what you ask for.

There are some very tough places in this world. Glad that we live in one of the freer places.

About pot. I rented a warehouse to a quiet young man about three years ago. Found it a little peculiar that he always paid in cash and never asked for maintenance. However most commercial tenants do their own inside maintenance, so this was not unusual.

One Sunday morning I was called by the Atlanta Police Department that one of my warehouses was on fire and I needed to come over ASAP.

I was curious about why the police department was calling, but Anne and I ran over. The cause of the fire was one of 32 1000 watt halide (?) grow lights that had an electrical problem, setting istelf and 200 four foot marijuana plants on fire.

It was a bit funny because the fire department and the police were a little woozy from breathing the smoke (I was expecting them to send out for a few dozen pizzas).

My ex-tenant got 300 dollar fine and 200 hours of community service. That was it. Seems mild punishment even if he was a first offender and had absolutely no record.

But that was here, three years ago, in Atlanta, Jawja, not in Bali.

And when Anne and I are in Bali. We will be very careful to obey the laws, both because it is the smart thing and also the polite thing to do.
 
I grew up in a country with very strict drug laws, in fact, i saw 3 Indonesians sentenced to death by hanging for attempting to smuggle 50 kilos of marajuana into Singapore.

Crime rates in Singapore are very very low and much could be attributed to tough drug laws and a zero tolorence policy for drug smuggling/dealing. Imagine the reduction of crime in the US if we have the political will to adopt the same stance on drug smuggling/dealing.

alf
 
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