Overlander by TOPS Knives

Mistwalker

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A while back the subject of one-knife-for-one-year came up and having done this myself under some pretty extreme circumstances myself before I follow those threads with much interest. I also began looking at my own life in relation to this subject today and wondered what I would do differently now. Previously my needs were for a very tough knife that was also capable of discrete carry in times of need. Back then, in the early 80s, I settled on the pilot's survival knife because it was the toughest small knife I could easily get my hands on. The knife market was a lot different thirty years ago. Today, with my life as complicated as it is the same requirements apply to any one knife I would carry and use for a solid year without using another knife. It would need to be really tough to meet my needs in the woods and in rough use but still have a decent edge geometry for whittling and carving, and it would need to be small enough to be discrete in my urban travels and not appear very menacing if it had to be used in public. Most of the time in recent years when I think of tough knives TOPS is always one of the companies I turn to first, so one of the knives that caught my attention was the Overlander that is made by TOPS Knives.

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The specs are (as taken from the TOPS website):

Blade Length:...........4"
O/A Length:.............8 1/4"
Cutting Edge:...........3 1/2"
Thickness:...............3/16"
Blade Color:.............Tactical Gray
Steel:.....................1095 High Carbon Alloy RC-58
Handle Material:........Black Linen Micarta®
Sheath:...................Kydex With a Rotating Steel Spring Clip
Weight:...................6.8oz
Weight:...................w/ Sheath: 8.7oz




For a smaller knife it still has a full sized handle that has been pretty comfortable in the grips I used most often and I like how the “tactical gray” is such a neutral color that doesn't really scream tactical knife at first glance.

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I like how the surfaces that meet the hand of the user in the grips I use most have been rounded or have the edges broken.

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The balance is nearly neutral with the balance point being just to the rear of the first finger and the knife being only slightly handle heavy which is fine by me for long term cutting and utility work.

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The sheath is a fold-over kydex sheath that comes with TOPS' metal belt clip which fits even wide leather belts, goes on and off the belt pretty quickly and easily without having to undo the belt, which is a feature I happen to like in my my sheaths for quick changes in environment. I also like how TOPS always molds a thumb-push into their sheaths for easier, and quieter, deployment of the knife.

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Among the reasons I prefer tough knives is that all of the wet weather in the area I live in can lead to needing a heavy tool to access the natural accelerant, pitch-heavy pine or fatwood, I use most in wet-weather fire starting. If I am only going to have one cutting tool I need it to be a tough one to handle the digging, prying, gouging, and splitting I often do. This is where the 3/16” steel has a major advantage over the 1/8” inch thickness of other knives. The weather here is so often damp and humid that most other natural tinder will hard ignite and usually won't burn hot enough to ignite the wet wood.

This clump of horseweed would have burst into flames at the first spark on a dry day, however even after swaying in the breeze for a full day after the rain stopped the moisture content was still to high to burn and took multiple impacts of sparks in the same spot to even catch for a moment and fizzle out.


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For these days it's just usually quicker to split up, or dig up some of the resin-rich pine that is so common in my area that will ignite by a spark even in the rain and burn even in the wettest conditions. This requires a tough tool to survive repeated use in this fashion.

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But it also needs to be whittled into slivers fine enough to catch the sparks and ignite quickly if done in the rain. While admittedly in most uses I wouldn't mind if the grind were a little higher, the Overlander still holds it own in this area and offers decent cutting ability while at the same time retaining a strong spine.

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So far it is meeting what I feel would be my needs for a one knife, anything larger would have to be stashed elsewhere at some point, and a knife I can not carry does me little good. This one is below the four inch blade requirements to meet legalities in my area, and tucks away discretely in my laptop bag or camera case, and is still tough enough to handle the rough use my life brings while still cutting well too.

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I've been looking at that particular piece for over a year now. I think it's time to pull the trigger because it has always struck me as a no-nonsense blade at a great price point.
 
Thanks for the review. :thumbup:

I saw this knife in some pictures you posted awhile back, was very intrigued by it, might be picking one up in the near future.
 
I've been looking at that particular piece for over a year now. I think it's time to pull the trigger because it has always struck me as a no-nonsense blade at a great price point.

I was eyeing it pretty hard earlier this year trying to decide between it and another knife. It finally wore me down after thinking about the one-knife threads. It's a small but tough knife that is doing really well in my uses for it.


Thanks for the review. :thumbup:

I saw this knife in some pictures you posted awhile back, was very intrigued by it, might be picking one up in the near future.

Yep, that was from when it had been raining for a few days...much like the last few days...and it was a good day to put it through some paces. I was really happy with the results.
 
I own that knife for years now and let me tell you...the Overlander perform so bad that I couldn't make a review my self.
My general overview of the overlander as conclusion...this knife is a brick, too thick to do anything good.
In my opinion this knife as a over kill skeletonized tang and that will worry me...Tops knife Co. should clarify this on the first place; this knife ain't full tang "I will put pic up soon"
knife value perspective it's too expensive....A bit of comparison with the Condor bushlore about cutting ability,comfort and convenience and price...
The Condor bushlore won in all!
 
I own that knife for years now and let me tell you...the Overlander perform so bad that I couldn't make a review my self.
My general overview of the overlander as conclusion...this knife is a brick, too thick to do anything good.
In my opinion this knife as a over kill skeletonized tang and that will worry me...Tops knife Co. should clarify this on the first place; this knife ain't full tang "I will put pic up soon"
knife value perspective it's too expensive....A bit of comparison with the Condor bushlore about cutting ability,comfort and convenience and price...
The Condor bushlore won in all!

Really, hmm...well first off the fact that a lot of TOPS knives have a heavy "skeletonized" handle is pretty common knowledge, as do other well known production knives, BK&T pops into my head first, and many makers remove material from the tangs to create the balance that they want. It is something commonly done in the knife industry for quite some time now. I have used larger TOPS knives with this same feature, and used them quite roughly, and I've never had one handle break. I have put my BK&T BK-7 and BK-2 through hell with no signs of failure. None of them that I have looked at have as much material removed from the tang as the DPX HEST with the storage compartment in the handle and I have put a few of those through pure hell too with no failures.

As for being a brick, we all have our own opinions on knives and that's all good. Some of us don't care for thinner blades and some of us don't care for thicker blades. After two weeks of using it, if I were to let it, your opinion that it's "too thick to do any good" and a quick read through your post history could give me some opinions on your level of skill with a knife. However forming that opinion would serve no real purpose. I understand though that some people prefer thinner knives for their better slicing ability. In my kitchen or even in a camp kitchen I like thinner knives myself. For the the wilderness or even an urban outdoor environment I happen to like a knife that will cut decently and still have some strength in the spine if I am considering it for a "one knife" for long term and whatever may come. The Overlander whittled wood curls plenty fine enough for my purposes, not like I'm going to be using it to make my own potato chips, that was never the point. In my opinion heavier spines make for better all around knives for most of my uses. As for the comment on the Condor I have a Bushlore also... I'm seriously unimpressed with it. Not that I really expected to be impressed with a knife in that price range, but there is a first time for everything and I did expect a little more from it than what I got. For me it's close to the top of the list of knives never to be considered for a woods knife, and definitely not for a one-knife, Condor makes other knives I would consider, and yes that's just an opinion as well.
 
Gee... I don't know where to start,


I always like it your reviews but does not mean that I agree with all your writing.
Olso my opinion may be different from your not necessarily maens disrespect to you or Tops.
I agree with most all your post except this...
For a smaller knife it still has a full sized handle that has been pretty comfortable in the grips

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I get huge blister only after 20 minutes of use! Yeah, I know we have hands of different sizes!?
The handle of Overlander is average small.


A little comparison for you...

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Overlander
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Condor bushlore
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Busse Sar5
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TOPS knives have a heavy "skeletonized" handle is pretty common knowledge...

Completely false...I noticed that on my Tops steel eagle had, has some kind of skeletonized after 15 years+!....but it make a very good ergonomic impact on the steel eagle but meanless on Overlander.



To finish in beauty Overlander skeletonized Tang.

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Another nice review. I always enjoy your photos, but these were especially good.

I dunno. We all have our likes and dislikes. Good thing, too. If we all liked the same things in a knife, there would only be one knife design made. And that would not be much fun.
 
Thanks for the review, Mist. Now, I can't wait to visit SMKW again. I prefer thicker blades, myself, so I would probably like this quite a bit for a smaller knife. I would probably thin the edge a bit, since it is smaller, but most people do that anyway.

Great review :thumbup:
 
Gee... I don't know where to start.....


Ok, my turn to figure out where to start huh?

First off thank you, I’m glad you enjoy the reviews. I don’t mind people disagreeing with me at all, if everyone agreed with me on any given day it would probably scare the crap out of me. I just get easily annoyed when people state their opinions as facts.

Secondly I never said anything like it had a large handle, I said it has a full-sized handle referring to it having a full four-finger handle rather than a three-finger or three-and-a-half-finger handle like some smaller knives have. I know we all have different sized hands and I also know from experience that mine are not the largest hands in the world. In a grip on a knife handle my hand measures 4-1/8” from the outside base of the forefinger to the outside base of the pinky and the handle is plenty large enough for me with some left over.

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Third, looking at the two pictures the data doesn’t really match up for me. In the first pic it doesn’t look like your pinky will be past the pommel in an overhand grip. I could be wrong of course, but it appears to me you are holding the knife in somewhat of a rearward grip and if that is your preferred grip then a knife with an over-sized handle would definitely be a better choice for you.

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Completely false...I noticed that on my Tops steel eagle had, has some kind of skeletonized after 15 years+!....but it make a very good ergonomic impact on the steel eagle but meanless on Overlander.

Ok, the first time I read this post it said after 10+years and now it says after 15+ plus years What gives with that?.

Also the way I’m taking these posts:

First of all I want to say that this FORUM is Fantastic:thumbup:


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I do not know about knives very well but I do love tops knife.
I have one simple question for all of you.
Between these two knives which it would be yours chosen?


Thank you
Rando

Thanks for posting up... Honestly... I don't have the slightest idea at this point. Some day though, I'd like to learn. I'd rather it be there for me to learn on in the future how to use, than to miss an opportunity to learn, and not have the necessary characteristic in my chosen blade. If I can't find an advantage in it some time in the future, I'll disregard it. This knife needs to be able to take plenty of hard use. I am looking for a real user, not a pretty knife. I have really considered the BK9 untill I read about the blade breaking with little lateral stress. Lets talk big blades.I don't know but steel eagle it turns out to be useful so much the better vs tracker??!!
I am definitely keeping my eye on this post.

Thanks guys
Info is appreciated

Rando


In this thread.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/462652-quot-Tops-quot-①Steel-Eagle-vs-②Tracker


You hadn’t even gotten that Steel Eagle four and a half years ago. When did you get it?

I’m sorry you were unaware of this feature in the knives but it has been discussed in multiple posts on multiple forums over the last few years that I know of for sure, people have even made posts about using the space to store some extra survival items. It has been written about in at least one article on a TOPS knife that I know of in a nationally published magazine.

But as for it being meaningless on the Overlander. If you think it is a brick now, just imagine how handle heavy the knife would be with a full tang.


Another nice review. I always enjoy your photos, but these were especially good.

I dunno. We all have our likes and dislikes. Good thing, too. If we all liked the same things in a knife, there would only be one knife design made. And that would not be much fun.

Thanks Knarfeng, I'm glad you enjoyed the photos. Man what a boring world it would be if we all thought alike!


Thanks for the review, Mist. Now, I can't wait to visit SMKW again. I prefer thicker blades, myself, so I would probably like this quite a bit for a smaller knife. I would probably thin the edge a bit, since it is smaller, but most people do that anyway.

Great review :thumbup:

Thanks TG glad you enjoyed it. Yeah, I like my knives a little on the heavy-duty side...lol, they live longer that way. Be careful up there, that place can be rough on a person's budget!
 
mist,those things you list are the same things I like about the Esee H.E.S.t except the non tactical look, this knife looks less tactical for sure. nice review mist.
 
mist,those things you list are the same things I like about the Esee H.E.S.t except the non tactical look, this knife looks less tactical for sure. nice review mist.

Thanks. Yeah, after carrying a HEST quite some time and putting it through quite a bit that is the one factor that bugs me about it in a "public" environment. I thought about stripping it and sending it to Bryan to see if he could make some orange or blue G-10 scales for it and see how that looks :) but I think I'll just leave it as is and keep it in the car kit and go with this one for a while. The Overlander definitely has a less menacing look and there are a lot of sheeple in the world...
 
the outside base of the forefinger to the outside base of the pinky and the handle is plenty large enough for me with some left over.
Third, looking at the two pictures the data doesn’t really match up for me.

How you like this...BTW I'm not a lefty..the pic are taken on the left hand


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Ok, the first time I read this post it said after 10+years and now it says after 15+ plus years What gives with that?.

Also the way I’m taking these posts:

In this thread.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/462652-quot-Tops-quot-①Steel-Eagle-vs-②Tracker

If u want discredit me...well, you need to search outside this forum...BTW I own 2 Steel Eagle, one with the back saw & one without....that was a debate for my second one

If really want to point out a thread, take this one out....

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...vourite-quot-Tops-quot-Knives!?highlight=Tops

Or man,,,,, I smell an agenda from your books...
 
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How you like this...BTW I'm not a lefty..the pic are taken on the left hand


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If want discredit me...well, you need to search outside this forum...BTW I own 2 Steel Eagle, one with the back saw & one without....that was a debate for my second one

If really want to point out a thread take this one out....

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...vourite-quot-Tops-quot-Knives!?highlight=Tops

Or man I smell an agenda from your books...

Ok, so you have large hands, it's not a good fit for you. I said "I could be wrong, but it looks like..."

Not trying to discredit anyone, just trying to clarify the time line once it started changing...

Ok, I got it that you have a Steel Eagle, so do I, but mines bigger :D

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As for that last comment...what the heck are you talking about?
 
The only thing I dislike about that knife is way too much wasted space from hand to edge. it should have 1/4 to 3/8 more edge. Why does the finger guard need to be so long and the edge starts so far away.

If you had to choose between it and your esee-4 for general bush use which would it be mist?
 
If it was a choice between those two and for use in the woods I think I'd probably go with the 4. It has more blade length and at 3/16 thick it still gives me a strong spine even with a flat grind. I actually got this one as a tougher alternative to my old RC3. They are roughly the same length and same dimensions other than steel thickness. Obviously the thinner blade of the 3 is a better slicer for slicing thin things, but this one won't have the flex that annoys and worries me in the 3, and it has a fatter handle.
 
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