"P" marked Sebenzas

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Ram

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Hello everyone !,
Just picked up a large 94 "P" marked Seb and it is a work of art ! I will
probably trade it for a NIB small Seb with graphics because it is just too large for me to carry around. Sebenzas are truely the best production folder made ! It doesnt have a pocket clip and comes with a black nylon belt pouch, was that the norm for that period knife ? Really didnt know much about what the "P" meant until after the fact and I traded for it because the guy told me it was a prototype ! Oh well, live and learn ! I didnt get ripped off, but I was a little upset with the seller. I still love the knife, but like I said I will probably trade it for a small Seb with some graphics on it.

Thanks,
Ram
 
Ram:
You might want to hang on to that Seb. The P stands for "prototype" and is amoung the first that Chris made. I think it would be worth quite a bit more than a new small seb.
 
From the FAQ:

We reduced the thickness of the titanium for the handle and altered the blade shape slightly. These knives were marked P as in production to distinguish them from H as in handmade. There has been quite a bit of misrepresentation that the P stands for prototype.




The nylon pouch, no clip is exactly period. I have a small P87
 
I have a large sebenza that marked " P 62 ", and I thought it means " PRE PRODUCTION ".
 
Do you all still think that I should hang on to it because of it's collectability ?


Ram
 
That numbered "P" is the 94th production Sebenza. It is a collectors item for sure, I would keep it myself (I have P34 in my collection, as well as H32 and a few non numbered "P" knives in large and small).
 
While we're all at it. I have an Umfaan that says P.P. 8/50. This is a preproduction piece, right?
 
Walking Man said:
While we're all at it. I have an Umfaan that says P.P. 8/50. This is a preproduction piece, right?
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P.P. = pre-production
8/50 = 50 in the run. . . .with that one being the 8th piece
 
Walking Man said:
While we're all at it. I have an Umfaan that says P.P. 8/50. This is a preproduction piece, right?
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MMMM, rainbow circles....nice :)
 
I've been wanting to ask this question for some time now, So I thought this might be a good thread to find the answer to it. My large Sebbie is supposed to be an early '90s model, and has the ats34 polished blade. It also has a pocket clip and stainless looking thumb stud. There is no "P" inside the handles or any other marks other than the "CR" on the outside of the slab. Since I traded into it, and did not receive a box or cert., I was wondering how to tell when it actually was made, and if it is an earler hand made model, Or a production model? Can anyone tell me? Here is a link to a pic-- http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/commu...folderid=5635&curRec=13&folderview=thumbs&ck= Thanks!
 
Frome the FAQ at the top of this forum:

History and Evolution of the Integral Lock Folding Knife

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Sebenzas History!!

We introduced the large Sebenza in 1990. These early Sebenzas were pretty much hand made - in so far as each handle and blade was cut out individually and profiled by hand on the grinder. They were all marked H followed by a serial number.

In mid-1991, we entered the rather scary world of computer controlled machines and bought a CNC machining center. At the time, it was a major step financially and we were not sure whether it would do what we wanted it to do! The rationale behind this was to enable us to produce more knives (and keep the cost reasonable) and to ensure that our tolerances were kept very tight. Machining on the mill ensures that the holes are in exactly the right place, the profile is exactly how we want it.

We reduced the thickness of the titanium for the handle and altered the blade shape slightly. These knives were marked P as in production to distinguish them from H as in handmade. There has been quite a bit of misrepresentation that the P stands for prototype.

The blades were then, and are still today, hand ground, even though the outline (or profile) is machined on the CNC. Two years ago, we progressed to a larger machining center and are constantly reducing our tolerances!

The "H" or "P" is engraved into the titanium handle next to our CR logo.

– Anne Reeve, 10/26/98

We stopped putting the P onto the handles because it had little significance any longer. And it did prevent the misconception that the knife was a prototype.

– Anne Reeve, 10/28/98
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stjames said:
Frome the FAQ at the top of this forum:
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Thanks James, I had read over most of the FAQ's, But I still would like to know some more specific info, Like , What year they got away from the polished blade and went to stone washed? What year did they change from ATS34 to BG42? As I understand it, The pocket clips weren't on the first models, So I was wondering what year the pocket clip was introduced? I would like to figure out exactly what year my Sebbie was made.I have had several late model Sebbies, But this older model is probably as smooth and well built as any I've had the pleasure of handling. Since it has no "P" or "H", and it has a mirror polished blade of ATS34 and a pocket clip, I am guessing it would have to be dated to the in the middle 90'S? I was told it was a '91 or '92 model, But did they put pocket clips on them in those years? What do you think? -Thanks
 
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