Packweight, bushbashing and knives

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Hi all,
I've just arrived back from a 5 day trip. It was meant to be a 7 day trip, but we completed the walk faster than planned.

As we weren't sure what the water situation was like in the region we were walking, we had to haul a full days water load (6L) on top of 7 days food (7kg). My pack ended up around the 19kg mark, and my two companions each carried 21kg and 27kg respectively.

About 1/4 of the trip was offtrack/ bushbashing. Anyone who does this sort of walking along a creek knows how tiring it can be. Your speed is slowed down to 1km/hr in places and you have to use hands and feet to steady yourself.

We walked 10hrs most days and 14 hrs the last day. The extra load really showed itself in the last few hours of the day. One companion stepped down from a log onto a rock and his ankle went from under him. It swelled up to a large size but he strapped it up and continued walking. An hr later my other companion carrying the 27kg pack also had his ankle go from under him.
Now both these guys are experienced offtrack walkers with ankles used to the lateral stress of untracked bush. The difference was the extra weight on their backs.

I know ultralight walking isn't in vogue on this forum and I'm certainly not here to preach it. But when walking for 10 hrs a day, the difference 6 or 7 kg on your back makes is noticeable. It's one thing to don a heavy pack and walk for an hr or two. It's another to wear that pack all day offtrack. For numerous days in a row. It really takes its toll.

One of my friends cut his foot open that night while on a pee break. He was walking barefoot and stepped on an animal bone, which sliced open his heel. Strained ankle on one side, sliced heel on the other. He had to walk 30km the next day before we could evac him.

Of the knives we took on the trip, a mora, an opinel and a Breeden bushcraft, all excelled at being light, keeping a sharp edge and cutting well. They were used for food prep, popping blisters, carving an adjustible cooking crane, tent pegs, splitting wood and casting sparks.

It's interesting that when it comes to the crunch, the knives we all chose to pack were not our big heavy expensive ones!
 
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I couldn't agree more. I think most people who are gonna walk more than 6 hours for more than a day, usually aren't the type to carry 40-50lb packs with 10 lbs of knives. I guess it aint so bad when you're just on a <2 hour hike.
 
I'm definitely in the lightweight camp as well - a large part of the reason I switched to hammock camping was the extreme modularity of the system, allowing me to only carry the bare minimum of weight needed for my shelter and the season.

Another thing I've tried recently is switching to an AARN Bodypack, which has a lot of clever load balancing features, including two large pockets that attach in front of your chest, and balance out the weight of the pack. 30 pounds in this pack feels lighter than 20 pounds in my ultralight pack. It's a big difference in terms of comfort.
 
Yeah two of us were using hammocks, Warbonnet blackbirds with a yeti UQ and DIY karostep UQ.
I think the Aarn look great for track walking. Not sure if I'd be able to see my feet quite as well when offtrack.
 
You'd be surprised how well you can see your feet with the AARN. I would be completely comfortable in Yosemite Class 3 terrain while wearing one. The pockets can also be swung out of the way, or removed completely and lashed to the top of the pack, if you need to fit through narrow spaces.
 
haha. we did indeed. I'll try and get some links up tonight. We took so many piccies I hope they won't be boring.

Mustardman, I didn't know the pockets could swing out of the way, I'll have to give the Aarn another look.
 
Beef how did you find sleeping setup with hammocks in Australian bushland? Any trouble with limb dropping trees etc?

I'm keen to give hammocks a go but they just aren't available here in Victoria for some reason.
 
If you want to give hammocks a go, all you need is a big piece of fabric and some rope. If bugs are an issue (I'm guessing they are most of the time in Oz), you can drape one of those bed type mosquito nets over your hammock and tie it shut on the bottom. There are more elegant DIY solutions, too, of course, but you can try it out for very little investment.


Many people have gotten their first taste of hammock camping with nothing more than an old bed sheet and some rope.

If you're interested, there is a wealth of information at http://tothewoods.net/HammockCamping.html and http://www.hammockforums.net I am a regular at hammockforums, and they are a super friendly bunch who are anxious to help others get started with hammocking.
 
Hi HandofCod,
I've been using camping hammocks for about 7 years, started on Hennessy, then innumerable DIY experiments and currently a Warbonnet.

No problem finding correct trees. We always ensure that we never camp under the big gum trees, normally our hanging trees are about 4m tall and fairly slender.

Camping hammocks aren't really available here in NSW either. For my DIY, Spotlight has some nice ripstop nylon. All other hammocks and quilts I've had to make or buy from the States.
 
A forum dedicated solely to the discussion of hammocks...? I love the internet!

Big thanks Mustardman! I'll check it out.
 
Beef,
I don't mean to be rude and derail your post but I saw you are from Australia. I was just there a couple of months ago and shot this postcard for the city of Katoomba. I love the Blue Mountains. Sorry again.

-RB
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confirming what I have felt all along. Your footware should be chosen with the terrain in mind, and should be on your feet. :)
 
About 1/4 of the trip was offtrack/ bushbashing.
Definetly a lot tougher than walking well maintained trails. Were you pushing yourselves to finish early because of the injuries? It has always seemed counter productive to bust my tail, just to end my trip early. :p

I know ultralight walking isn't in vogue on this forum and I'm certainly not here to preach it.
Its a fact that true ultralight backpacking does not get a lot of respect around here, but 27 kg is far removed from anything approaching ultralight, which is generally considered by its proponents as requiring packs less than 9 kg. ;)

I know that the water situation added a lot of weigh to your packs, but it seems like you could probably have shaved as much as 4-5 kg off each pack without too many compromises. Without seeing you packing lists I could not offer any specific advice, though. As you said, heavy packs and long days really wear one down and IMO detract from the enjoyment of the trip. IIRC, the last time I hiked an area with questionable water supply (the US desert southwest), I was humping a 16-18 kg pack including 4-5 L of water and I probably could have shaved a kg or two off of even that without too much trouble.

One of my friends cut his foot open that night while on a pee break.
Ouch! One reason I never walk around barefoot. Even a cheap pair of flip-flops are better than that.

Of the knives we took on the trip, a mora, an opinel and a Breeden bushcraft,
Nice selection. Sturdy, useful blades without excessive weight. :thumbup:
 
Great post Beef! Looks like some great lessons learned...sorry to hear about your mates' injuires. I've both cut and sprained my ankle on trips as well...really sucks and takes some fun out for a while. I now pack an ankle brace with me and a pair of sandals when I'm around camp.

My son and I just did a trip for a few days out. I'm going over my list and cutting a few items off. My pack was about 45 pounds, but I was packing two extra gravity water filters I wanted to try out (Sawyer and Katadyn), plus we overpacked the amount of food we needed...need to recalculate! I know I can shave off 10 pounds pretty easy.

I did take a big blade...Bark River Golok, and it was great at quickly chopping green wood for some crafts/projects.

We did a family hike up through a small ravine and through the river last year in Texas. Mostly scrambling and climbing; we only had day-packs but I can attest that it's very rough going. Additionally, you're creek beds are probably littered with debris making it even more challenging. It's fun, but couldn't imagine with a 60 pound pack!!!

Glad you guys toughed it out and returned safely...oh, I used a Warbonnet hammock myself...love that thing!

ROCK6
 
Hi Mdauben,
yeah, 27kg is a big pack... mine was 19kg, but my baseweight was right on 6kg, which is a little higher than normal, but my usual frameless beltless pack wouldn't handle that kind of load in comfort. An extra kg is worth it for the frame on this walk!

Nothing could have been trimmed from my list (keeping warm/ safe/ durable) with the possible exception of my windshirt. It was just the consumables that added the weight.

My friend with the killer load was carrying his hammock and quilts PLUS a DIY tyvek bivy and a down air mattress. And a Gerber brush axe. And a candle lantern. And a grill. And a T bone steak. :)

Rock6: You're not.... Sgt Rock with the hammock website are you!?
 
I've been getting ready for backpacking here and one thing I've been trying to do is on the weekend to try to stay on my feet, doing things on the farm for at least 5 hours.

Last weekend I was on my feet shoveling gravel and manure for about six hours and in the last hour I was having to set down for about 5 or 10 minutes before I could finish my hips and legs were hurting.

I've been also trying to walk during the week between 2 to 6 miles a day weather permitting. But it takes me only about 30 min to walk each of the 2 mile segments I walk at lunch and after work in the city. It takes me about 45 min to an hour to hike the 2 miles in my woods about a mile of which is continuously uphill. So while that helps me get in shape for hiking it really doesn't prepare me for a long day of fairly continous hiking. Although I usually do try to break on the trail every 3 miles and let my feet dry out to avoid blisters.

I have a pal I hike with sometimes and he works at McDonalds so although I can usually beat him on the uphills he can outlast me on his feet because in his job he's on his feet all day. My job is setting all day, plus 2 hours in the car commuting:thumbdn:

I totally agree on the forum there is sort of a difference of opinion on gear that really has it's roots in the amount of ground you are covering.
 
I can answer that one, no he's not, if he was, he would be Rock7.

Warlord7 out. LOL :D Chris

Ha! Yeah, Chris beat me to it...it's not me! Rock7 usually desingnates the senior Enlisted in the unit (1SG or CSM).

ROCK6 (I loved that call-sign:D)
 
I wouldn't say that lightweight backpacking is frowned upon on this forum by most. I always try to lighten my pack as much as possible.
 
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