Pakistan Daily Times 9/04/2004

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Nepal pledges Muslim security after riots

Go down left-hand column to FOREIGN section and continue to the Region section and click on the above titled story.

Apparently Nepalis got upset at the 12 hostages sacrificed and burned the main Mosque in Kathmandu on 9/01/2004. Authorities lifted a curfew for 3 1/2 hours this morning ( 9/04 ) for residents to purchase supplies before reinstating the curfew.
 
The Maoists have guns and the ordinary Nepalis don't. The government does have guns, but it doesn't have a clue - or is morally bankrupt, according to an editorial in this issue of the Nepali Times.

Either way, you want to keep your head down and stay close to cover.

The police evidently failed to respond well - yet the burning was limited to things hauled out of the Mosque(s)?

More burning was done to recruiting agencies. Apparently one million Nepalis work outside Nepal and send back one billion dollars a year.

Spend time reading all sections on the front page. Interesting reading. I'd bet there are plenty of unpublished points of view that have more than a little merit.

It leaves me scratching my head over what goes on. But then what the Mineral County commissioners do mostly makes questionable sense to me. And I know two of the three commissioners.
 
These look like kids having fun.
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the ydont see mto be "in mourning" for anyone.
 
Rememeber that when Islamic fundamentalists in Cashmir killed the pilgrims on the bus in India, the popluation went on a rampage, killing I think it was 800 muslim civilians.

Remember Islam spread by the sword mostly. Remember also that some of the great Hindu religious texts involve battles. The Bhagvad Gita was dictated from Krishna to Arjuna on a battle field. Arjuna was hesitating to go into battle. Thinking it would be better for himself to be killed rather than to engage in a bloody civil war. Krisna told him that it was his honor and privlidge to kill the enemy. That God had already killed them.

So when stuff like the killing in Cashmir or this killing here recently happens a lot of Hindus see it as a replay of the Mahabarata. :D
 
I will agree that humans just like to fight.
They may blame it on religion, but they do it because they LIKE it.

I think people, especially ignorant, uneducated, superstitious, racist pre-modern humans love to have someone to shoot at. I don't think they'd be happy without it.
 
I especially like rioters. What kind of mentality is that- "Hey! A cop shot one of our people! Let's go steal some TV's!"

Usually they burn down their own neighborhood, but sometimes innocents pay... :grumpy: :barf:
 
The maoists probably organised the attack on the mosque, muslims & communists are arch enimies. They would certainly approve of it.

The maoists would spot the opportunity to take a popular action.

The maoists sell a dream of a free country with education & medical care, & your own toilet to piss in to the poor people who belive the dream.Things ordinary Nepalis dont have.

Sadly the maoist reality may also have its down side.

They have a few guns but mainly they have kukris & widespread support amongst the poor, & many Gurkhas as well for that matter.

{they were the major campainers in Nepal for the Gurkha pensions to equal the English.}

Spiral
 
hollowdweller said:
Rememeber that when Islamic fundamentalists in Cashmir killed the pilgrims on the bus in India, the popluation went on a rampage, killing I think it was 800 muslim civilians. :D
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I think you are referring to the burnt train in Gujarat.No killings in Kashmir have provoked major riots on that scale yet.
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So when stuff like the killing in Cashmir or this killing here recently happens a lot of Hindus see it as a replay of the Mahabarata. :D
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I think that is over simplifying things.It is just a lynch mob mentality and a misplaced desire to get even like any other reactionary riot anywhere in the world.
I very much doubt that Hindus see themselves as characters in the mahabharata.It is just one of our major epics and we dont live our lives by any "guidelines" mentioned in it :rolleyes: .
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Just talked to Kazi in Nepal. Things are bad, but they are hoping the curfew will be lifted in 2 or 3 days. The factory has been closed for this reason, but everyone is safe and sound....well as sound as you could be in the circumstances.

If you want a sick video of the killings of the Nepali's, go to www.rfsafe.com. You have to join...it's free...and then you can download the video. I could only handle the first 15 seconds or so. It is very very sad.
 
Mamav,

I watched that video in your link. Nothing has made me this angry in a long time. I wish everyone would watch this. It shows just what kind of enemy we are fighting. It seems to me like everyone wants to stay away from a "holy war" or a "islam v.s the world" thing but thats what it is. These people hate ME, are trying to kill ME, and that makes THEM, MY enemy. Its time to polarize this, **** our pants, and jump in. Neither side will be happy until the other is wiped out. To them, we are all infidels, a crime to be punished by death. I hate them all, not because of their religion, but because they are TRYING TO KILL ME.
 
I hate them all, not because of their religion, but because they are TRYING TO KILL ME.
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When you, personally, start killing their women and children, can I watch? I'm thinking about getting into journalism, and this is just the sort of human drama story that gets Pulitzer Prizes. Keep me posted. ;)
 
Well ruel,

Maybe I got carried away there. But I DIDNT say I was going to start killing all their women and children, although they certainly dont mind killing ours. You might just make a good journalist, youve already found a great shortcut to thinking by having me "personally killing their women and children".
 
That was the whole point of the exercise -- to point out that rhetoric centered around polarization and violence is a slippery slope where righteous vengeance quickly descends into rationalized genocide and terrorism. After all, it wouldn't be "wiping out the other side" if we let women and children survive now, would it? :confused:

I believe the people are driven to violent fanaticism by a combination of extreme circumstances and religious/political justification. I don't believe it's simply that "we" are good and "they" are bad, and that therefore "we" have to get rid of all of "them." As Americans, who enjoy a society in which power and knowledge are more abundantly available to people than at any other time in history, it is morally incumbent upon us to be better than that.

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oh crap, I cant argue with a flag! YOU WIN!

However, I would like to defend myself from being labled as a violent fanactic.

We all have our right to say what we want on the internet. I believe that if John Locke were alive today he would devise a "Natural Rights of the Internet" and freedom of speech would be the first right. My opinions are just that, nothing more, nothing less. I stand by my belief that neither side will be happy until the other is a greasespot. I do believe that they will never stop trying to kill us until they or us are wiped out, its their religion, their reason for existence. That being said, women will make more children and children will become terrorists. I did not say that either side WILL wipe the other out, NOR that I want to kill women and children. You wont see me dragging my hairy knuckles into a village, swinging a ball peen hammer at everything that moves. So sorry, no Pulitzer. However if you want to go up to man who cut the Nepali's head off, and give him a hug, be my guest.

Once again, I stand by my opinion that neither side will be at rest until the other is gone: its their duty to kill us, and our duty to at LEAST defend ourselves. Im not labeling either side "good" or "bad", BUT I sure as hell dont want to be on the losing side, do you?
 
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