Para Military lock question

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STR,

I have ready many of your thoughts on liners and it has really been useful. In fact I have noticed the very thing you talk about with liners wearing down and becoming less reliable as it starts to wear.

My question is in reference to spyderco's compression lock on the para military. The pin on seems to make this lock a lot more reliable and less likely to fail as it does not seem like the liner would wear down. How would you rate this locking system. Would you feel that it is much more reliable than a regular liner? I am just looking to get some of your thoughts on this locking type.

Thanks

Steve
 
The compression lock is a very good lock. I'd rate it as both stronger and more reliable than a typical liner lock, however in my experience this lock, particularly the thinner ones are just as prone to developing evidence of excessive wear and quickly at times. Usually the evidence of wear is first noticed with vertical blade play and or excess lock travel. It seems to me that the thinner compression locks may actually wear faster than a thin liner lock because I think under extreme loads the lock takes a lot more stress on the compression style lock due to the nature of the leverage of the longer handles on most Spydercos and also because both the blade stop and the blade are harder than the lock itself and you have the stop pin hitting the lock on one side and the blade hitting it on the other so in effect you have two wear points on this lock as opposed to one on a typical liner locking folder which leads to double the chance of wearing prematurely. Needless to say when something has to give guess which part of the system it will be. If the blade is 60 Rockwell hardness, and the lock is at 45 Rockwell and the stop pin to 50 Rockwell hardness its the lock that will suffer the most.

I'm planning to turn one of these Para Military folders into a frame lock in the future that I happen to own and the thought occurred to me to do this once the lock wears. I figured that would be a while. I have not really used this knife hard or that much but the lock has moved out from just engaging to the thickness of the liner to about 5/8ths of the way across the blade contact on its way to the opposite side now and all just from light use. I must admit I'm a bit shocked at how quickly it has worn. The good news is that I think this style lock is far more reliable than a typical liner lock is even when the typical Walker style lock is solid with no play and the compression lock has a little play. Overall for strength I believe you'd see the stop pin rip out of the folder before the compression lock would give out. I can't say I have the means to prove that but its my guess anyway. Sal would be the one to ask on that. I have seen that the compression lock can defeat if the lock does not travel out far enough but its always on new folders so as I always caution with a brand new liner lock right out of the box, its worth some caution until it breaks in.

I may toy with the idea of leaving the original compression lock on it functioning just as it came from the factory and then simply add a .135 frame lock to it as well. I've thought to call it the Para Military
"Double Take" and look forward to getting to it. Unfortunately my dance cart has been so full as of late with all this stuff I have to do for customers that I can't do what I'd like to do for myself until this work load is out of here.

Here in the last three weeks I've been knocking out a record amount of referral work in the way of repairs for Kabar. Its gotten so backlogged I've started referring a lot of work to my circle of friends doing a lot of these same things seeking some help to cover it all. Once I get all caught up I expect to be able to get to some forum jobs here as well and then of course my own Para Military project among others. Just pop in now and then and check. I hope to be caught up fully by April.

Thanks for asking.



STR
 
I appreciate the response. I had alwayse assumed it was just like a liner until I did a little more research on it. And I know I can get an honest answer from you.
 
Perfect timing for this thread, as I've been wanting to replace my Para-Military that I traded away. I have always thought that the compression lock is one of the best locks out there, but after reading this thread, as well as older posts, about this knife developing vertical blade play, I'm starting to have my doubts. My understanding now is that while the compresion lock maybe one of the safest, and have less failures, the lock itself, due too the 2 contact wear points, will wear faster. It seems to me that it is inevitable that the Para will develop blade play at some point due to design, while it still should still maintain a low lock failure rate do to the design?
Anyways if my understanding is correct about the compression lock, is there another knife/lock you would recommend. I'd like something with similar handle and blade ergos, but having a lock with greater longevity/durability in terms of developing blade play?, and an equal in terms of lock failures? Also
G10 scales, open construction and a choil....am I asking too much:D

TIA
Dave
 
Dave---You might want to go with a lock-back. There is lock talk going on now on the Spyderco Forum. I'm even considering a friction folder! But with a FF, you must know you're limitations. But that really applies to all knives and Life!!
 
Dave---You might want to go with a lock-back. There is lock talk going on now on the Spyderco Forum. I'm even considering a friction folder! But with a FF, you must know you're limitations. But that really applies to all knives and Life!!

I currently have a Caly3 G10, and am waiting for my Native to come home from spyderco warranty services. I briefly owned a Mini Manix, which I got to replace my CQC14, read mistake:eek: I loved the Manix's handle ergo's, but the huge blade profile turned me right off. I wish it had the same blade profile of the Para.
I mainly want a knife with a full sized handle, like the para, Mini Manix, and CQC14, but with a decent dependable lock that has longevity. I know most will say get a fixed blade, and I have, recently buying a BRKT Mini Canadian. I'm also having a custom pocket carry sheath made so I can easily EDC it, but i don't think anything compares to a folder for ease of carry.
Anyways I'm off too the Spydie forum to read about lockbacks.

Dave
 
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