Patriot Ordnace AR?

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Anyone here have any experience with them? They seem interesting but all I can really find on the net is that people seem to prefer the older ones. I also have heard about a tier ranking for ARs anybody else heard of this ? ? ?
 
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i fired a POF ar16 yesterday. 16" and gas piston technology. i was very pleased with the performance.
 
I have a CMMG gas piston AR with no problems, so I wouldn't worry about going with a gas piston. I have read many favorable reviews of the POFs and to tell you the truth, if I had known about them prior to picking up my CMMG, I would've saved up the extra $$ to get one.

Once you gone piston, you won't go back- there's nothing like a cool, clean bolt and carrier!
 
I have a POF P415-18 and I love it. I've put it through hell. I fired 300 rounds, before being stationed in Korea for 4 months now, w/o cleaning and I'm positive it will have no problems when I get back to shoot it. I've put different brands of ammo through it and they all end up very close on the target. I'm never going to buy from another AR company. I'm saving up for their 308.
 
Thanks for the advice, if things go well in the near future I'll be putting my grubby paws on one soon. . .
 
I have a POF P415-18 and I love it. I've put it through hell.
Can you be more specific as to what "hell" is?
Have you run it through any training courses? How many rounds have you put through it so far? Under what kinds of conditions?

I fired 300 rounds, before being stationed in Korea for 4 months now, w/o cleaning and I'm positive it will have no problems when I get back to shoot it.
The reason that I ask is that you mention that it fired 300 rounds without cleaning as if that is a bragging point (unless I am misreading you). Any halfway decent AR, whether DI or piston, should easily be able to go 300 rounds without cleaning.

I've put different brands of ammo through it and they all end up very close on the target.
Just for sake of clarification, are you saying that you are getting tight groups?

I'm never going to buy from another AR company.
It's your money to do with as you please, but I never understood this kind of thinking. You're swearing off all competitors forever, just because you are pleased with a purchase?
 
For those of you that don't want to read the whole article.

It’s up against the growing skepticism and doubt about the supposed superiority and/or advantages of gas piston/op-rod ARs over traditional direct-gas impingement (DGI) a.k.a. direct-impingement gas (DI Gas) system AR-15 carbines/rifles. with regard to weapon reliability. There are a couple of important points to be made about this. First, as we’ve already pointed out in a previous article, there are a number of very knowledgaeble people out there, including, but not limited to, tactical AR-15 builders out there like John Noveske of Noveske Rifleworks, LLC and Nathan Roads of Next Generation Arms (NGA) and professional military Spec-Operators (including U.S. military Special Forces and Special Operations personnel) that actually prefer the traditional DGI setup over the gas piston/op-rod setup. Not do traditional direct gas guns tend to be more accurate, lighter-weight, softer and smoother shooting, and mechanically simpler than gas piston/op-rod guns, but there is now growing evidence that they may be as or more combat-reliable than gas piston/op-rod guns, provided the DGI guns (like the Colt M4A1 Carbine, for example) are “sprung right“, are properly maintained, and have a barrel of at least 12.5 inches (12.5″) in length. A direct-gas AR-15 SBR with a 12.5″ barrel can retain and utilize the standard M4/M4A1 Carbine-length gas system, thus optimizing weapon reliability. Piston guns are easier to clean/maintain in the field since they don’t get as dirty inside. However, the “crud” that builds up inside a DI gas AR at high round count is not what causes reliability problems.

Remember, the reason that a certain U.S. Army Special Forces (SF) unit chose the HK416 piston-driven platform was because they wanted a short weapon with a 10.5-inch (10.5″) barrel that would run reliably with a muzzle can (silencer/sound suppressor). A gas piston/op-rod setup doesn’t rely on barrel length to create the necessary gas pressure curve and timing like a direct-gas-impingement system does, so you can cut the barrel down to 10.5 inches with no loss in weapon reliability. However, if you’re willing to go with a barrel length of 12.5 inches and up, it’s questionable that a gas piston/op-rod gun offers ANY reliability or durability advantage whatsoever over a direct-gas gun, even with a suppressor attached.

In fact, there’s now some evidence to the contrary, since the much vaunted and supposedly superior HK416 has been running into some rather serious reliability and durability problems in the field as of late, including the piston system locking up in cold weather and the upper receiver cracking. And, the HK 416 is supposed to be the most combat-proven gas piston/op-rod AR out there! According to some unconfirmed/unverified reports Defense Review has received from some of our industry contacts, the HK-416 receiver-cracking issue has led to U.S. Special Operations personnel operating under SOCOM (USSOCOM) to switch out their HK416s with combat-proven Colt M4A1 Carbines, so they’re now back to using combat-proven direct-gas-impingement guns. The fact is, the Colt M4A1 Carbine is truly combat proven, and significantly more so than ANY gas piston/op-rod AR out there, including the HK416.

By the way, DefenseReview has read and heard good things about the LWRCI M6A2. It’s one of the best piston guns on the market. However, we’ve also read and heard about a few reliability/durability issues in the past with the M6A2, although LWRCI (also written LWRC) may have resolved the issues in question and bulletproofed all the parts. We’re going to investigate it. We’re also going to try to obtain some testing data on the M6A3.

The POF P-415/16 is also one of the best piston guns out there, and we’ve gotten very good reports back on it. The P-415/16 utilizes a FN FAL-type piston and operating rod with no spring as opposed to the usual AR-18-type piston and op rod system (HK416, M6A2, etc.), which does incorporate a spring, so it’s possible that the P-415/16’s operating system is the simplest and most rugged of the bunch. The P-415-16 is also easy to maintain.

Editor’s Note: For the record, DefenseReview likes both the LWRC M6A2 and the POF P-415-16, and thinks both are excellent products worth owning for any tactical AR enthusiast. We also recommend that people own at least one quality direct gas AR and one quality piston AR, if they can afford to purchase both.
 
Great insight AR fan :thumbup:. I've been thinking about a piston AR as well and have been doing as much research as I can. Another potential problem I've read about is the bolt carrier and key. Unless the BCG is lined up just right you could end up with the op rod hitting the BCG just ever so slightly off center causing the key to get sheared off after time. I know that POF, Adam's Arms and I think LMT use a one piece bolt carrier to help with this. I know LWRC is planning on going to a one piece bolt carrier sometime this year hopefully.
 
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