Paul Chen Katana...Tiger model

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Hi

I bought the Practical Plus Daisho (Katana + Wakizashi) made by Paul Chen.
Now I'm planning to buy the Tiger Katana to complete my collection.

I love swords and collect them.
I own some ancient swords (chivalry 1800, navy 1900, rapier 1800, etc.) but I like katanas very much.
So, untill I've enough money to buy a shinto, real katana by a japanese smith, I'd like to to have the tiger because is folded, dual tempered and really beutyfull....

Someone knows if there are other "low price" katanas with the same features?

Thanks
 
I'd say Bugei would be a nice choice for a production Japanese-style sword.
Swordstore also has a good rep - you can request folded as I recall.
 
They've good swords but:
- they sell Paul Chen katanas too
- some practcal katanas they make, are more expensive and less featured than Paul Chen swords.

Tiger katana is folded steel, dual temepered, damascus, and you can buy it for 790$. The starting price for Bugei swords is 900$ and we speeak only of carbon steel, dual temper.
 
Bugei's stuff is made by Hanwei, yes, but they're not exactly part of the standard product line. What do you mean by features? If folded steel is one of them, then only one Bugei katana lacks that. Fittings-wise, I can see where the Bugei line would be seen as more subtle - but for Japanese swords, that's generally a more desireable quality. No Japanese sword is damascus, by the way - pretty big technical difference there. The Bugei blades are also a lot more durable than the regular Hanwei blades - their lightest blade is heavier than the high-end Hanwei general releases. They also perform in-house quality checks on all their Bugei-branded swords, providing much needed QC. Basically, they have most all of the features Japanese swords are supposed to have.

Personally, I think the folding on Hanwei and Bugei blades is ugly. Way too blatant, utterly without function, and a distraction from much more important factors.

Last Legend has a katana lineup that's held comparable to Bugei's and Hanwei's - depending on who you talk to. Their prices are good on the monosteel swords, and are generally priced similarly to Paul Chen's stuff. J-armory.com has a selection of Furuyama blades, which are decent by most accounts, and folded if that's important to you.

If you're looking for something that's as close to the Japanese aesthetic as possible, none of the production swords on the market are quite "there." Japanese-made shinsakuto nowadays are largely objects of art. In that respect, modern production blades just suck. When you restrict yourself to functional properties only, they get a lot better.

So basically, that's the point I'm trying to make - if you buy a factory sword because it "replicates" certain aesthetic features of a nihonto, with the notion of getting a taste of a real art sword adhering as closely as possible to historical precedent, you're wasting your money. Better to buy $790 worth of nihonto reference books, in my opinion. From a collector's standpoint, I fail to see how a production piece would have any place in a group of antiques like yours - it would lose value with time, it would have absolutely no historical or traditional worth, and you'd probably sell it for a loss once you got your hands on a shinsakuto, or better yet, an antique.

Unless you're planning to train with it, in which case, you really should look for functional features, rather than aesthetic ones.

Wow! That was pretty long! :)
 
You are right.

Well, I know the difference between real shintokatanas and industry-made.
The problem is MONEY.
For the moment I can't afford to buy an antique one or a custom made by a japanese smith (the price is over 4000 $).
So I'd like to buy a good - functional replica for the pleasure of my eyes, only to fill the empty space I've in my house while I wait to have the money (and the madness...) to buy a real katana.
I know it's a stupid thing to do, but I'm realy in love with this kind of swords; in Italy is impossible to find them, and there's always the big risk that someone steal the original japanese katana during the inspection at the airport (it happens often).
So I should go in Japan (other 2000 $) and buy the sword myself, to be sure of everything.
Or I could ask a friend or two to buy a real katana in USA and bring it to me the next time they come in Italy.

Meanwhile, I can hardly resist to have one in my hands.
They call it the "collector mania".
 
gragnak said:
You are right.

Well, I know the difference between real shintokatanas and industry-made.
The problem is MONEY.
For the moment I can't afford to buy an antique one or a custom made by a japanese smith (the price is over 4000 $).
So I'd like to buy a good - functional replica for the pleasure of my eyes, only to fill the empty space I've in my house while I wait to have the money (and the madness...) to buy a real katana.
I know it's a stupid thing to do, but I'm realy in love with this kind of swords; in Italy is impossible to find them, and there's always the big risk that someone steal the original japanese katana during the inspection at the airport (it happens often).
So I should go in Japan (other 2000 $) and buy the sword myself, to be sure of everything.
Or I could ask a friend or two to buy a real katana in USA and bring it to me the next time they come in Italy.

Meanwhile, I can hardly resist to have one in my hands.
They call it the "collector mania".

:) If I may say so I think you have a very good grasp on the realities of sword mania and also the good sense to know what your limits are. Welcome aboard. :)
 
I know, I know....

One of the most difficult things in our life is learning to control our instincts and desires. I'm not saying it's right to suppress them, but we need to exercise patience (:jerkit: ok words from a wiseman who's not so wise....)

But when I'm out in the woods with my horse and there's only silence, I think about a good sword by my side and an adventure waiting for me. It's a way to forget day-by-day problems and stress.

So, the sword became something deeper for me. I'm collecting swords for the feeling you get handling them and for the symbol they are. Ancient times, different life-style and the falvour of dreams powder...

Well. I'll wait to have the right sum of money to buy an antique....
 
you're asking for a katana for aesthetic purposes? You could consider a Dynasty Forge made from "tamahagane" (not official tamahagane, they just call it that, and it is likely very similar) - it MIGHT be pleasing to the eye. You could also commission a shinsakuto, though there are several gendai-to that are relatively inexpensive but very well made and very attractive.

A surprisingly attractive gunto: http://forums.swordforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35068&highlight=Emura
No, it's got nothing on a Naohiro shinsakuto (http://www.lostdays.org/shinsakuto/articles.asp?id=23) but still quite pleasant to look at.
 
Spun 1 said:
so what about cheaper katanas.like windlass or the edge 20$ practical katana


If you buy a 20 dollar sword you will get... a 20 dollar sword. The same thing goes for a 150 dollar sword or a 2000 dollar sword. With swords you get what you pay for. If something is significantly cheaper then something else of the same genre there is typically a very good reason. The materials aren't as good, the workmanship isn't as good, a different manufacturing process is used etc. etc. I recently handled a MRL nodachi. I think it retails for around 200 dollars. This thing could only very charitably be called a nodachi, the edge geometry wasn't right, the temper was wrong, the fittings were stamped steel, the handle wrap was some sort of leather and suede abomination. In affect it possessed none of the qualites that make a nodachi a nodachi. I suspect that the same thing can be said for other similar low priced pieces.
 
There is a site 'swordarmory.com' in the shogun selection and 'last legend' is the brand name that suppose to be Paul Chen's direct competitor. I think that is where my next sword purchase will be.:)
 
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