Pellet Gun Advice Needed

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I remember an extensive thread discussing this very topic a few months ago, but I can't find it.

I'm looking for a pellet gun that has enough knock down power for rabbits and other small game.

So, my first question is which caliber? I have read some people say ".177 is for feathers, .22 is for fur." Other places I have read that .177 is better even for rabbits due to it's higher penetration. So, I would like your advice on this first.

Next, I had my eye on a couple .22 rifles. One was the Benjamin 392 which looks like it runs about $150, or the RWS M34 for $175. The 392 is an American classic but I have read a lot of good things about RWS.

Thanks for your insight!!
 
I got a russian made .22 pellet gun (break action not pump)
it shoots at 1500 fps
went rabbit hunting and those .22 pellets do some DAMAGE!
the inside of its head was soup after that thing had bounced around inside it.
got it for 50$ closeout at joes before they went under.
 
Both are fine guns.

Either would serve your purpose.

I am partial to .22 for hunting. They just seem to kill cleaner/quicker.

If you have the money, you might want to look at Crosmans new lineup of Nitro Piston Rifles. They use a Nitrogen filled gas ram instead of a steel spring.

I have the NPSS in .22. They are about $300. The advantage of these guns is you can leave them cocked while hunting for long periods without weakening the spring and they do not require pumping. They come with a decent scope, something you will need to buy on the guns you mentioned (unless you prefer iron sights)

They are marketed under Benjamin and Remington badges this year. They will kill rabbits and squirrels with no problem well out to 50 yards and maybe a bit beyond.

Benjamin Trail NP about $230 (I believe these will be made in China)

Remington Nitro NPSS about $300 ( These ARE made in USA)

Look them up on the Pyramid Air site.

If you do decide to go with a Benji 392, I STRONGLY recommend you look up/call MAC1 and get a steroided pumper. He is the best in the business.

Good luck.

Carl-
 
I have a .177 Crossman break-barrel action that shoots pellets @ 1000 fps.

It's a heavy air rifle w/ noticable recoil due to the spring. And requires a fair amount energy to cock. But It is far faster then many other air gun actions.

At sub 20 meters, the pellets retain plenty of energy, enough to punch through 400+ pages of yellowbook. Out at 50 meters the pellets energy is drastically reduced.
 
It`s against the California fish and game laws to shoot anything with less than a 22 caliber.

You can hunt using .20 cal. for turkey..
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/QandA/2009/20090402.asp
Resident small game (as listed in CCR, Title 14, Section 257) may be taken with an air rifle firing pellets and powered by compressed air or gas. This includes: wild turkey (must use 0.20 caliber or larger), Eurasian collared doves, quail, non-protected squirrels, jack rabbits and cottontails, in addition to the other resident small game species defined in section 257.

Western mourning dove, white-winged dove and band-tailed pigeons are listed as migratory game birds and may not be taken with an air rifle.
 
If you are into CO2

Crosman makes a 2260 SE CO2 .22

Comes with a scope for about $175. There are a LOT of mods you can do to this rifle yourself to take it from the stock 600 fps to about 750-800 fps.

600 fps out of a .22 is plenty enough for rabbits and squirrels.

I'm not a fan of CO2 because I like the powerplant contained in the rifle like a breakbarrel or pumper, but many, MANY a game has been taken with a CO2.

Carl-
 
.22 airgun is legal for turkey, but .22 rimfire isn't. Odd, but true out here.

okay, powerplants, and budget.

If you can spend close to $400, the discovery in .22 with pump is THE way to go. flat out. Well built, VERY high powered, shoots just as well at 30F as 110F, accurate, and can get decent ballistics with even the heavy (and expensive!) 26 grain pellets.

If you want a piston gun, I'd highly recommend at this point getting a gas piston instead of spring piston. The Walther Falcon, with gas ram, is about $350. Currently, a refurbished one on one site is $175 with spring piston. (that's .22 and will definitely get the bunny, turkey, or immortal squirrel)

I'm not going to say anything against the decent Crosman Quest for a budget springer, but you can't leave them cocked for extended periods of time and if you are seriously wanting to hunt, you may need to sit in a hide for an hour or more. I own one in .177 and it's good enough- it's been tuned by flying dragon and that helps some. It gets real world 852FPS with hunting (10grain) pellets.

CO2- the 2260 from crosman is possibly the best stock rifle for under $100. HOWEVER, temperature has a huge effect on the performance of CO2.

I like pumpers. While not the most powerful much of the time, they can and do deliver in all weather, with no accessories. While the venerable benjamin is a nicely built gun, It's heavy. and big. and heavy.

My preference for a pumper is to get a lightly customized crosman based .22 - the 1377 pistol (which is powerful enough for close range hunting!) is used as a base, a .22 barrel, generally 14 or 18 inches is added. Various people have various ideas about modifying the valve and pumping system. I expanded and re angle the port on my valve and lightened the spring and with a 14 inch barrel I get 14.3 grains of .22 at 650fps on 14 pumps. All very basic mods, and the grip set with integral stock isn't hard to remove for backpacking. (In canuckia, you can get the base model called a 2289, which will give you about 150FPS less)

There used to be several very good lightweight multipump hunting rifles out there, they are all used at this point, and out of production. If I was shopping the market, I'd choose a crosman 140 or 101, and have an airgunsmith give it a once over (or just buy it from an airgunsmith, as I did with my 101)

If you want oldengear, that 101.... man, that 101! feels like and old time .22 rimfire, has a very usable tombstone peep sight system, and while they vary from gun to gun, mine gets 570FPS on 8 pumps with standard crsoman premier 14.3 grain pellets. I get 535 with the heavier crow magnums on 9 pumps. I can easily hit an empty pellet tin at 30 yards with it.

I'd take the 392 over any spring piston airgun, but she's heavy. If you get one, I might still have a spare peep sight laying around.

Caliber- I prefer .22 - .177 in a high speed gun can acupuncture game and leave it running off wounded. .22 tends to not do this. .177 pellets are going to generally be more effected by wind and range factors. They are cheaper, and the crosman heavies (10+ grains) make a decent "100fps" classe .117 into a good medium range hunter. They will work against squirrel in a 1377 at 10 yards quite easily, too- though a 100% dead clean kill is hard on the Immortal Squirrel. You may have to put in a finishing shot.

.22 is a bit more expensive but generally just performs better for hunting. I prefer it for birds, as well. the standard 14.3 grain crosman premier pellet is generally going to be accurate and hard hitting enough for anything except specialized shooting.

Now, costs of ammo- I have and use beeman crow magtnums in both calibers, but sparingly. It's more expensive than shooting bulk box federal .22LR. For me, if it's costing more than a .22 its' costing too much, and I stick about 90% with the .177 crosman premier heavies and the .22 crosman premiers. If you find a decent, inexpensive wadcutter that's very accurate, use it by all means- especially in a .177- better stopping power.
 
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Don't mean to hijack the thread, but why not just use a 22LR?

There may be a real good reason to prefer a pellet gun. I just don't know what it is.

Less noise is the one advantage pellet guns might have, but I've been told that they're not really that quiet.
 
Don't mean to hijack the thread, but why not just use a 22LR?

There may be a real good reason to prefer a pellet gun. I just don't know what it is.

Less noise is the one advantage pellet guns might have, but I've been told that they're not really that quiet.

some of my airguns are loud- especially the 14 inch barreled .22 pumper when I'm running hot. I should get a 24 inch barrel.....

Some are quiet- my 101 is very quiet, my tuned quest 1000 is VERY quiet.

But noise isn't the main issue. There's a whole raft of different legal issues, and two rafts of practical issues- from cost to shoot, to ammo density, weight, size, legality of barrel length, ease of transport and availability of places to shoot.
 
My Nitro is VERY quiet.

Koyote, have you shot a Nitro yet? I have had mine for about 9 months and I am amazed. Been into airguns for 30 years and powder burners for 25 and this new technology is unbelievable. For $300, this thing is DEADLY.

There is nothing out there I know of that has all the features at this price.

Decent scope
gas ram
shrouded barrel
good trigger
800 fps with 14.3 grain pellets

With the new Trail NP line at $230, nobody even comes close.

Carl-
 
I got a russian made .22 pellet gun (break action not pump)
it shoots at 1500 fps
went rabbit hunting and those .22 pellets do some DAMAGE!
the inside of its head was soup after that thing had bounced around inside it.
got it for 50$ closeout at joes before they went under.

What is the name or model of this airgun?
 
If you don't mind pumping, the Benjamin .22 (392) is the way to go. In general, .22 pellets have a lot more FPE and with the pumpers, you can vary the power level say for in a barn or basement shooting. With the springers you get one power all the time.
The pumps also have less recoil and can be stored loaded whereas a springer should not be stored with the spring compressed. I forget where I got mine but check pyramid air or airgun warehouse, one of the two had the factory remanufactured Benjamins for $105. I love mine. They're also fun to mod. for more power. I bought a chronograph and have gotten my Benji 392 up to 19 FPE with very little work.

Remember, springers make more power with lighter pellets and pumpers make more power with heavier pellets.
 
I got a chance to shoot a .25 falcon with the air venturi ram and it was smooth- no hold issues, quieter, accurate. nice new technology.

I ... may be trying a Benji Trail NP sometime soon. anyone wanna buy a quest 1000 with a tune up? :D (I'm even considering selling a few of the pumpers off)
 
some of my airguns are loud- especially the 14 inch barreled .22 pumper when I'm running hot. I should get a 24 inch barrel.....

Some are quiet- my 101 is very quiet, my tuned quest 1000 is VERY quiet.

But noise isn't the main issue. There's a whole raft of different legal issues, and two rafts of practical issues- from cost to shoot, to ammo density, weight, size, legality of barrel length, ease of transport and availability of places to shoot.

Thanks for the reply.

Several years ago I considered getting a pellet gun for target practice at home. I wanted something that made less noise than a .22. Couldn't find much of a selection locally and was told that the ones offered really weren't that quiet so I quit looking.

I live in an old subdivision. Most of the homes were built in the 60's and we all have about 3 acre lots which tend to be rather narrow on the street but very deep. Mine is about 150' X 750'. My property backs up to pasture land and legally I could shoot firearms (some of my neighbors do), but the noise is disconcerting to some and I want to be a good neighbor so I don't.

What air gun would you recommend for me that has decent power and trajectory but isn't going to scare the neighbors?
 
I was ready to go the MAC1 route when I saw the Nitro, otherwise, that was the gun I was going for.

I actually took a chance and bought the NITRO before they were even on the market. I ordered one before release.

I REALLY want a MAC1 392.

The ONLY 2 things I don't like are the fact that I have to pump it up for each shot (not a real big deal) and the scope placement is a pain when pumping.

The advantage is as mentioned above, you can vary the power if you need to.

CGM, You HAVE to try one of the new shrouded .22 Nitros or Trail NP's. They are so quiet and powerful, you will be amazed. I am whacking nutters at well over 50 yards at this point and I live on 1/2 acre with the same concerns you have.

Carl-
 
I was ready to go the MAC1 route when I saw the Nitro, otherwise, that was the gun I was going for.

I actually took a chance and bought the NITRO before they were even on the market. I ordered one before release.

I REALLY want a MAC1 392.

The ONLY 2 things I don't like are the fact that I have to pump it up for each shot (not a real big deal) and the scope placement is a pain when pumping.

The advantage is as mentioned above, you can vary the power if you need to.

CGM, You HAVE to try one of the new shrouded .22 Nitros or Trail NP's. They are so quiet and powerful, you will be amazed. I am whacking nutters at well over 50 yards at this point and I live on 1/2 acre with the same concerns you have.

Carl-

For virtually no money you can get more power out of the stock 392. It won't be quite what the Mac1 is but I guarantee it's all the power you'll need. Mine will make power up to about 12 pumps and pumps easier than stock just by adding a spring and washer inside the valve as well as leaving the valve unscrewed a bit to increase volume and reduce headspace. It costs pennies and is easy as can be. Check out the Crosman forums if you haven't already. I wanted a MAC1 also but finances brought me back to reality.
 
What air gun would you recommend for me that has decent power and trajectory but isn't going to scare the neighbors?

I don't think any airgun would scare the neighbors. My Benjamin is pretty loud when fully pumped but nothing like a real firearm. I live on a half acre lot and shoot .22lr subsonics and I doubt my neighbors even hear it if they're inside.
 
Thanks for the reply.

Several years ago I considered getting a pellet gun for target practice at home. I wanted something that made less noise than a .22. Couldn't find much of a selection locally and was told that the ones offered really weren't that quiet so I quit looking.

I live in an old subdivision. Most of the homes were built in the 60's and we all have about 3 acre lots which tend to be rather narrow on the street but very deep. Mine is about 150' X 750'. My property backs up to pasture land and legally I could shoot firearms (some of my neighbors do), but the noise is disconcerting to some and I want to be a good neighbor so I don't.

What air gun would you recommend for me that has decent power and trajectory but isn't going to scare the neighbors?


It depends a bit on desired range- for shorter ranges any of the daisy single pump pnuematics will do the job and be quiet. They aren't hunters by any stretch.

With the new gas rams, the equation is changing, and I'd think one of the nitro pistons might do it. The gamo whisper really is quiet. I put a 24 inch barrel on my wife's 1377 pump pistol and added a shoulder stock (I'd suggest red barn personally for that job if you don't want to do it) and it's VERY quiet at 8 pumps. (also weighs like 2.5 pounds total) The barrel length helps with the noise -also adds velocity and sight radius and it gets up around 700fps with 10.5 grain pellets. Out at 30 yards it's easy enough to hit 12ga empties.
 
CGM, You HAVE to try one of the new shrouded .22 Nitros or Trail NP's. They are so quiet and powerful, you will be amazed. I am whacking nutters at well over 50 yards at this point and I live on 1/2 acre with the same concerns you have.

Carl-

I don't think any airgun would scare the neighbors. My Benjamin is pretty loud when fully pumped but nothing like a real firearm. I live on a half acre lot and shoot .22lr subsonics and I doubt my neighbors even hear it if they're inside.

It depends a bit on desired range- for shorter ranges any of the daisy single pump pnuematics will do the job and be quiet. They aren't hunters by any stretch.

With the new gas rams, the equation is changing, and I'd think one of the nitro pistons might do it. The gamo whisper really is quiet. I put a 24 inch barrel on my wife's 1377 pump pistol and added a shoulder stock (I'd suggest red barn personally for that job if you don't want to do it) and it's VERY quiet at 8 pumps. (also weighs like 2.5 pounds total) The barrel length helps with the noise -also adds velocity and sight radius and it gets up around 700fps with 10.5 grain pellets. Out at 30 yards it's easy enough to hit 12ga empties.

Appreciate it guys. Looks like I got some homework to do. First thing I'm going to do is check and see if air gun hunting is even allowed in Georgia. I've got rabbits all over the place. If so then that will influence my decision. Otherwise it'll just be target practice.

Thanks for your help.
 
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