Pentagon or Seal Pup

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davisac

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Does anyone have either the Pentagon (fixed blade) or Seal Pup Elite? If so can you give me some likes dislikes on them? And which would you rather have to defend yourself with?
 
it's probably personal.they both work well for defending yourself.

some people like a dagger ,while others prefer a combat knife like for example the seal team elite,tech bowie ,or the ka-bar.

I even read on a form somewhere ,one guy saying a dagger is only good for punching holes in an oildrum or something like that.

I disagree.
stabbing is like jabbing in boxing.the fastes way to reach your opponent.
that's why the Roman legionairs stabbed their victims most of the time instead of hacking them down.

and a double edged dagger is ideal for stabbing(plus they are lightweight).like the Gladius for four centuries did serving the Roman Empire.it has a straight form.perfect to do it's task.'defending'(killing)
 
i own and carry a full sized pentagon in the winter. The newer ones come with an updated sheath, so you can wear it tip up on your belt, and the handle barely protrudes. It also impedes movement less and doesn't compromise comfort the way a regular fixed blade would riding the hip while trying to go from car seat, to couch, to stretch etc.. Tip-up you can have it unsheathed wicked fast and it is exceptionally nimble to maneuver.. As an additional selling point over the seal, the cutting surfaces for both serrated and plain edges span the length of the blade respectively versus, the 1/2 1/2 on the pup.. As far as urban self defense goes, its the penagon hands down man. Its got more blade and jumps from strike point to strike point with the elegance of a hummingbird drinking nectar from flower to flower. Plus, that point and those serrations are going to open heavy leather jackets and thick winter gear before a seal pup will. Hope this helps you make a decision.
 
Hopefully, you won't be needing to do all that much stabbing. Even if you do, the Seal Pup elite would work. But you might actually need to use the knife for some cutting chores, and the Pup would probably do that better.
 
Horn Dog said:
Hopefully, you won't be needing to do all that much stabbing. Even if you do, the Seal Pup elite would work. But you might actually need to use the knife for some cutting chores, and the Pup would probably do that better.
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I totally agree with you.
the disadvantage of a dagger type of knife is that doing all kinds of cutting and carving work is way more difficult with a dagger than with a one edged blade like a seal pup elite.(although not everyone feels the same,an older german man who I gave once a daggert 2,finds it a very good knife to cut meat with.he asked me a knife to cut meat with which also had a bloodgroove.I gave him a daggert :-P,and he likes it very much)

and stabbing with a seal pup is easy as well.
look at all those stabbing/penetrating tests that already have been done with knives like this(the seal2000 for example).they all stab very well.

and I also agree on the fact that hopefully you'll never have to use the knife to stab a person with.
killing/wounding other people is not a thing you want to look out for..
mny stabbings happe with an ordinary kitchenknife anyway.
wome stabbingtheir husbands in a quarrel...
no.
killing eachother is way too easy.
I would rather not do that.
 
Davisac did not ask about the Pentagon or the Pup's ability to "carve." Why is it so difficult for so many to stay on topic? Davisac, for the record and in relation to your initial inquiry, whenever I go into the city I go with a fixed blade in spite of the potential repercussions of using it to defend myself from grievous bodily harm in a robbery or mugging. Normally I carry any variety of folding knives, but I dont trust myself enough to rely absolutely on a folder in a real adrenaline-laced, panic inducing SD scenario. The SEAL Pup isnt in the same class as the Pentagon for that purpose in my humble opinion.. AUS-6 isn't premium steel and that is the only quarrel I have with the Pentagon. For strictly SD, let me assure you that when you wear it (the Pentagon FS that is,) sheath-up just behind the right front pocket underneath your shirt walking the street you are more than sufficiently armed.. A Seal Pup wouldn't afford the same level of confidence or peace of mind because it is smaller.. I dont recall whether the pup is half and half, but I'm almost certain it is.. As I recall the serrated edge is raised noticeably in contrast to the rest of the blade's grind, and behind the serrated section there is a pronounced groove.. Needless to say if you are hypothetically thrusting into the body of a determined assailant, you do not want to risk your knife becoming entangled in his clothing. The Pentagon has no such groove which would hinder speed or inhibit follow up strikes.. In addition, a half and half blade catches more on any malleable surface when slashing due to its basic design.. With the Pentagon near-effortless manual manipulation gives you the choice between a capable fully serrated tearing edge and razor sharp plain edge to cut through whatever you put in front of it. I strongly urge you to opt for the pentagon friend, even though this post is ancient and you have already decided or lost interest.
-Regards, Vehmgericht223.
 
I've got both of these knives. If you're still interested, I can take side by side pics
 
I think the best thing for you is to decide exactly what you want the knife for and how you will use it. You are trying compare apples with oranges because they are different styles.

I own a Pentagon and feel I can speak for that.
Pro's:
1) Fully serrated AND fully plain edges on the double edged dagger. Best of both worlds.
2) Very sleek simple design, it is easily concealable.
3) the lack of a handgaurd is offset by a very tactile handle that defies any hand slipping from any grip making it even more streamlined. Jimping on the back of the blade near the hilt adds to the gripability of this knife allowing you to choke up on the blade a bit too.
4) It is well balanced and while light, not so light that you lose a feel for it and if practiced, its very quick.

Cons:More concerns than anything...
1) The hard sheath it comes with makes carrying it more bulky than it needs to be, A flatter leather sheath would make it even more concealable if thats what you want.
2) The knife was one of the most impressively sharp blades I have ever seen out of the box. Shaveable almost. The concern with this is the point and while I've never done anything to test it, I do wonder how that tip would stand up under hard use. I suppose this is a concern with most dagger style blades.
3) As a dagger, It is not a knife made for or as suitable than other blade styles for chopping.

I've read that this knife was designed either as backup or for people who can't or don't want to carry the bulk of the standard fighting knife geometry.
 
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