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Here they are.
There are many excellent ideas in the posts.
I had some other concerns that had to be taken into account..
Ease of manufacture was one.
Many gret Ideas were to complex for the knife price point.
Please vote for the best !!!
I will count the votes on or after May 25th
The vote stop on that date at 12:00 midnight
est.
The persons design idea may be used in partial or full and payment IN FULL for that idea will be the a prototype EDC knife with the blade style of there choice.
The knife will be delivered around the end of June 2000.
please vote by the number
1. Member Brian Lavin
Posts: 968
From:San Diego, CA.
USA
Registered: Oct 98
posted 04-12-2000 10:03 PM
I'd like to see a very thin spring steel wire clip, made from material about the size(guage) of a
bicycle spoke. This would be very light, not too obtrusive when using knife and look very nice
too.
Of course, fel free to use Ti or ?, but I think stainless would work better and could be colored (?)
My .02
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Buck Collectors Club Member # 572
Knifeknut(means I collect all other pointy sharp things along with the above)(just ask my wife)
[This message has been edited by Brian Lavin (edited 04-12-2000).]
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2 ronald reagan
From:NY,NY USA
Registered: Dec 98
posted 04-15-2000 11:47 AM
It seems that many clips can be more streamlined and generally smaller in size - more discreet. I
have found that on smaller clips, using only one screw to hold it down is insufficient - at least
two screws asre needed to prevent the clip from pivoting.
A bead blast surface is also a practical feature as it provides texture for gripping the pants and
also for your fingers. The bead blast texture is a nice compromise since it does not rip your
pants apart, scratch furniture too badly, etc. Anodized and polished clips look nice, but they are
bit too smooth for practical purposes.
Placement is up to the maker/user. I generally prefer tip up carry, but i like tip down too. If the
clip is placed in the tip down position, directly next to, or above the pivot pin is a nice place. It
rides high for discreet carry and tends to blend in better with the contour of the knife.
Basically, the standard Spyderco/Benchmade clips and the old Microtech clips are bulky,
unnecessarily large and their shapes lack any vision of a flowing line. To place clips like these
on custom knives such as Darrell's creates an unwanted contrast in aesthetics.
I propose the idea of adding some curve to the clip so that it may compliment the curve of the
handle. It may be difficult to create a line that compliments a variety of handle curves, but it
might be possible. If not, 2 or 3 different clip designs may work depending on the model. I know
this is a pain, it's just an idea.
Also, an engraved pattern or logo may make the clip more visually pleasing and may enhance
grip for withdrawal. Good luck!
[This message has been edited by Ronald Reagan (edited 04-15-2000).]
3 speedrck
The two best clip designs so far are on the EDI deep pocket clip and the Outdoor Edge Impulse
recessed clip (IMO). The one thing I wish someone would do is coat the metal clips with a
composite or polymer with rounded edges. It would save on the scratches when you rub agains
a car or a very expensive teak chair. good luck on the project.
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Ray Carr
4.pse-link
From:Lovelady,Tx.,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
posted 05-06-2000 06:57 PM
The clip design should allow for ease of switching it from one side to the other. Color should blend with
the handle material in such that it should not take away or draw your attention from the beauty of the knife.
Needs to be secured with at least three screws(preferably allen-head)in a tip down style of carry. Good
spring steel,cut out thru the center, skeletonized.
5.hugo
Posts: 108
From:Helsinki,
Finland
Registered: Jul
1999
posted 04-13-2000 06:30 AM
Darrel, here are my comments:
1) No clip at all. But somekind of pocket case. The 'pocket pouch' could maybe have an clip to keep it in proper place. The pouch
would protect the beatifull finish of your knives from keys or coins, and the knife would be better to use without a clip. Also the
knife would be very discreet if it would be hidden in a pocket pouch.
2) EDC should be very discreet, as there are always situations where you don't want to advertice that you are carrying a knife.
Sometimes you just can't tell before that you are going to end up in such a situation.
So the clip should allow as low ride as possible. Make a clip with 180 degrees bend at the top of the knife. Either make a hole in
the top of the clip to access the screws, or make a wider attachement area for the clip so you can fit the screws in. Better use
both directions: 3 screws; 2 on the sides and 1 through a hole. That will make it seem stronger to most people. Make it matte
black with option of some other color if the customer wants. But normally black. Also don't make it wider than it has to be. Too
large (I'd say that Spydercos are too large already) and it atracts attention. The bend at the top of the clip would probably work
better if the knife would be tip up carry. Then the clip would not interfere as much with the use of the knife.
3) As the knife would ride very deep, design the end of the clip so that the knife can be pulled out with the index finger using
the clip (of course helping with the thump as soon as the knife emerges a little from the pocket). This will case force on the end
of the clip bending it outwards and thus easing the release of the clip. Then the clip can be made quite tight.
Hugo
6.
Topic: Best clip design wins a Prototype EDC knife
Stompy
Member
Posts: 821
From:Goffstown,
New Hampshire
Registered: Apr
99
posted 04-11-2000 11:01 PM
I like clips on knives, well, MOST knives. Not only do they provide an acceptable mode of carry, but they don't really interfere
with the grip and can make rollovers and obscure opening techniques easier, safer, and more fluid.
I can also sympathize with people who don't like clips on their knives, but why should people who like clips have to put up with
special features on knives like "less holes" and "multi-use" holes that take away from the simplicity and function of a normal
clip?
7.
Damon
Whatever design you use, I would like to see you nugget texture applied as an option. It would
give a grippy texture for drawing.
I think EDI has a good design.
Cheers,
Damon
8.
Jake Evans
Hey D.R. I think the ideal clip would be well curved and rounded for easy function and attached
directly to the frame of the knife at the butt by screws. This way one could change the location
from side to side just by loosening it up and repositioning it to the other side with the same set
of holes. Be easier for production, too and if the user chooses to remove it there would be no
holes in the scales.
Jake
9.2nd edge
From:New York
Registered: Mar
2000
posted 04-12-2000 07:55 PM
I will like to have the clip design flow
with the natural lines, color, and design
of the handle. The clip should not appear
as sticking sore thumb, an anomaly to the
general feature of the knife, or an
outsider forcing its way in.
2d_edge
10
generallobster
Member
Posts: 265
From:Berkely
Registered: Apr 99
posted 04-13-2000 04:03 AM
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=138168&a=1012456&p=19452253&Sequence=0
Ignore the clip on the left.
The cobra head clip above should be nice and robust to prevent bending if the clip ever catches on anything. I put two holes in
the clip to acess the screws that are underneath, but it could just be one hole and one screw if strength of the clip is an issue. I
would like the clip to look really interesting, even on a work knife. Rather than slap some boring grey sliver of steel on the side
of the knife, I would like the clip to add to the knife's looks, making the knife distinct because of it. The recess in the knife handle
could be made very small to accommodate just the tip of the clip, because it is often the last part of the clip where it curls up that
causes discomfort in my hand. Still the end would be lifted off the handle enough to allow for easy placement in the pocket after
use. All the swirles on the clip are just to suggest that something be done to make it look nice--maybe a mirror polish, or some
kind of stain, etch, a signature, or whatever.
Thanks
------------------
Web Site At www.infinet.com/~browzer/bldesmth.html
New Web at www.darrelralph.com
[This message has been edited by Darrel Ralph (edited 05-07-2000).]
There are many excellent ideas in the posts.
I had some other concerns that had to be taken into account..
Ease of manufacture was one.
Many gret Ideas were to complex for the knife price point.
Please vote for the best !!!
I will count the votes on or after May 25th
The vote stop on that date at 12:00 midnight
est.
The persons design idea may be used in partial or full and payment IN FULL for that idea will be the a prototype EDC knife with the blade style of there choice.
The knife will be delivered around the end of June 2000.
please vote by the number
1. Member Brian Lavin
Posts: 968
From:San Diego, CA.
USA
Registered: Oct 98
posted 04-12-2000 10:03 PM
I'd like to see a very thin spring steel wire clip, made from material about the size(guage) of a
bicycle spoke. This would be very light, not too obtrusive when using knife and look very nice
too.
Of course, fel free to use Ti or ?, but I think stainless would work better and could be colored (?)
My .02
------------------
Buck Collectors Club Member # 572
Knifeknut(means I collect all other pointy sharp things along with the above)(just ask my wife)
[This message has been edited by Brian Lavin (edited 04-12-2000).]
--
2 ronald reagan
From:NY,NY USA
Registered: Dec 98
posted 04-15-2000 11:47 AM
It seems that many clips can be more streamlined and generally smaller in size - more discreet. I
have found that on smaller clips, using only one screw to hold it down is insufficient - at least
two screws asre needed to prevent the clip from pivoting.
A bead blast surface is also a practical feature as it provides texture for gripping the pants and
also for your fingers. The bead blast texture is a nice compromise since it does not rip your
pants apart, scratch furniture too badly, etc. Anodized and polished clips look nice, but they are
bit too smooth for practical purposes.
Placement is up to the maker/user. I generally prefer tip up carry, but i like tip down too. If the
clip is placed in the tip down position, directly next to, or above the pivot pin is a nice place. It
rides high for discreet carry and tends to blend in better with the contour of the knife.
Basically, the standard Spyderco/Benchmade clips and the old Microtech clips are bulky,
unnecessarily large and their shapes lack any vision of a flowing line. To place clips like these
on custom knives such as Darrell's creates an unwanted contrast in aesthetics.
I propose the idea of adding some curve to the clip so that it may compliment the curve of the
handle. It may be difficult to create a line that compliments a variety of handle curves, but it
might be possible. If not, 2 or 3 different clip designs may work depending on the model. I know
this is a pain, it's just an idea.
Also, an engraved pattern or logo may make the clip more visually pleasing and may enhance
grip for withdrawal. Good luck!
[This message has been edited by Ronald Reagan (edited 04-15-2000).]
3 speedrck
The two best clip designs so far are on the EDI deep pocket clip and the Outdoor Edge Impulse
recessed clip (IMO). The one thing I wish someone would do is coat the metal clips with a
composite or polymer with rounded edges. It would save on the scratches when you rub agains
a car or a very expensive teak chair. good luck on the project.
------------------
Ray Carr
4.pse-link
From:Lovelady,Tx.,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
posted 05-06-2000 06:57 PM
The clip design should allow for ease of switching it from one side to the other. Color should blend with
the handle material in such that it should not take away or draw your attention from the beauty of the knife.
Needs to be secured with at least three screws(preferably allen-head)in a tip down style of carry. Good
spring steel,cut out thru the center, skeletonized.
5.hugo
Posts: 108
From:Helsinki,
Finland
Registered: Jul
1999
posted 04-13-2000 06:30 AM
Darrel, here are my comments:
1) No clip at all. But somekind of pocket case. The 'pocket pouch' could maybe have an clip to keep it in proper place. The pouch
would protect the beatifull finish of your knives from keys or coins, and the knife would be better to use without a clip. Also the
knife would be very discreet if it would be hidden in a pocket pouch.
2) EDC should be very discreet, as there are always situations where you don't want to advertice that you are carrying a knife.
Sometimes you just can't tell before that you are going to end up in such a situation.
So the clip should allow as low ride as possible. Make a clip with 180 degrees bend at the top of the knife. Either make a hole in
the top of the clip to access the screws, or make a wider attachement area for the clip so you can fit the screws in. Better use
both directions: 3 screws; 2 on the sides and 1 through a hole. That will make it seem stronger to most people. Make it matte
black with option of some other color if the customer wants. But normally black. Also don't make it wider than it has to be. Too
large (I'd say that Spydercos are too large already) and it atracts attention. The bend at the top of the clip would probably work
better if the knife would be tip up carry. Then the clip would not interfere as much with the use of the knife.
3) As the knife would ride very deep, design the end of the clip so that the knife can be pulled out with the index finger using
the clip (of course helping with the thump as soon as the knife emerges a little from the pocket). This will case force on the end
of the clip bending it outwards and thus easing the release of the clip. Then the clip can be made quite tight.
Hugo
6.
Topic: Best clip design wins a Prototype EDC knife
Stompy
Member
Posts: 821
From:Goffstown,
New Hampshire
Registered: Apr
99
posted 04-11-2000 11:01 PM
I like clips on knives, well, MOST knives. Not only do they provide an acceptable mode of carry, but they don't really interfere
with the grip and can make rollovers and obscure opening techniques easier, safer, and more fluid.
I can also sympathize with people who don't like clips on their knives, but why should people who like clips have to put up with
special features on knives like "less holes" and "multi-use" holes that take away from the simplicity and function of a normal
clip?
7.
Damon
Whatever design you use, I would like to see you nugget texture applied as an option. It would
give a grippy texture for drawing.
I think EDI has a good design.
Cheers,
Damon
8.
Jake Evans
Hey D.R. I think the ideal clip would be well curved and rounded for easy function and attached
directly to the frame of the knife at the butt by screws. This way one could change the location
from side to side just by loosening it up and repositioning it to the other side with the same set
of holes. Be easier for production, too and if the user chooses to remove it there would be no
holes in the scales.
Jake
9.2nd edge
From:New York
Registered: Mar
2000
posted 04-12-2000 07:55 PM
I will like to have the clip design flow
with the natural lines, color, and design
of the handle. The clip should not appear
as sticking sore thumb, an anomaly to the
general feature of the knife, or an
outsider forcing its way in.
2d_edge
10
generallobster
Member
Posts: 265
From:Berkely
Registered: Apr 99
posted 04-13-2000 04:03 AM
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=138168&a=1012456&p=19452253&Sequence=0
Ignore the clip on the left.
The cobra head clip above should be nice and robust to prevent bending if the clip ever catches on anything. I put two holes in
the clip to acess the screws that are underneath, but it could just be one hole and one screw if strength of the clip is an issue. I
would like the clip to look really interesting, even on a work knife. Rather than slap some boring grey sliver of steel on the side
of the knife, I would like the clip to add to the knife's looks, making the knife distinct because of it. The recess in the knife handle
could be made very small to accommodate just the tip of the clip, because it is often the last part of the clip where it curls up that
causes discomfort in my hand. Still the end would be lifted off the handle enough to allow for easy placement in the pocket after
use. All the swirles on the clip are just to suggest that something be done to make it look nice--maybe a mirror polish, or some
kind of stain, etch, a signature, or whatever.
Thanks
------------------
Web Site At www.infinet.com/~browzer/bldesmth.html
New Web at www.darrelralph.com
[This message has been edited by Darrel Ralph (edited 05-07-2000).]
