Picture Posting Etiquette?

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Since I'm in school I am constantly reminded of academic misconduct (aka plagarism). My question relates to the posting of pictures from other people's websites. I think that's really cool, but I do think that they poster should ask the person who owns/created the picture for permission to post it - or at the very least to give credit to the source.

In the past I have even seen a picture off my website appear on these forums...it was rather flattering that someone posted one of my pics, but it would've been nice if they had at least cited my picture (I try hard to take as nice a picture as I can).

So this comes up, because I was under the impression that all websites are implicitly copyrighted. Clearly nothing can stop someone from taking a digital copy of your picture (afterall that's what gets loaded when they browse the website).

How does everyone feel about this issue? Or is it not an issue?

~Mitch
 
I do a lot of pics and illustrations and I figure once I put it on the Web it's up for grabs. What you can do if it bothers you is to add your signature with a © to your pic or add a watermark.
 
Good question, Mitch.

I have pictures from almost every source available and can't remember where I got most of them.

Like PhilL, IMHO, "I figure once I put it on the Web it's up for grabs."

I am seeing more pictures with the source in them.
 
I have posted MANYpictures of my knives with the purpose of either showing them or helping people.

I am not looking for some kind of credit.

I collect pictures of knives and think water marks take away from the picture.

IMO, it says something negative about the posted.
 
I have ALWAYS understood that the NET is public domain...if you stick a pic up there ANYONE can use it....at least that is what my web guy has told me. That is my only source for this info (giving him credit so I can shift the blame!!!!!!! :p )

:)

As a postscript....there are a MILLION or more pics up for wallpaper, some people have their names superimposed...but anyone can use them.
 
I post a lot of pictures here that I get from web sites of makers and purveyors. As of late, when I think of it, I say where the picture came from, but I still do not do this all the time.

I would appreciate it if makers and purveyors and just plain folks that have pictures of knives on their sites, who would like me to acknowledge where the picture came from, would let me know on this thread. I would be only to happy to do so. Maybe I should just start doing so out of courtesy. You know, I think I'll do that. Thanks for all the help guys.
 
I am also a collector of knife pics and I attach pics to my posts frequently, because it helps to get an idea of the named knife.
I don’t give thought to the copyright, because in my opinion everything on the web is for everybody freely disposable. That is the original intention of the internet.
If you don’t want that, it is up to you to protect it.
Certainly are commercial abuse or incorrectly ethical behaviour excluded.
 
Those are my thoughts exactly. Pictures are put on websites to be seen, what's the difference if it seen somewhere else. If they did not want surfers to save or use their pictures they should use a Javascript or DHTML attachment to dissable the right click. It isnt that hard, i have done it on previous muck around websites i have created through HTML.
 
I think as long as someone isn't trying to maka a buck off someone else's work. I see no problem. spreading a knifemakers work to others is a service to the maker.

I have seen knives that I feel in love with posted from other people.
 
Originally posted by DEVILZ BLADE
If they did not want surfers to save or use their pictures they should use a Javascript or DHTML attachment to dissable the right click. It isnt that hard, i have done it on previous muck around websites i have created through HTML.

The pictures are stored anyway in the cache directory, and nothing stops you to make a PrintScreen + Ctrl_V in Paint. If you don't want them to be available, don't put them online, that's all.
 
Mitch, I agree. It's common courtesy to recognize someone else's work.

I'm sure that one who does not care to receive recognition would still extend that courtesy to others.

Placing a watermark on one's work is a practice that rightly squares with our American sense of personal property.

While it may be negative artistically, it certainly is not negative philosophically.

Frank
 
Courts have held that posting a work (text, picture, sound, video, etc.) on a publicly accessible website is a form of publishing. If you publish something without asserting your copyright, then you are placing that work into the public domain. Obviously, if the picture has a copyright notice right on it, then the copyright has been asserted. But, many websites also have an umbrella copyright notice on the first page. It's much like a printed book which doesn't have a copyright notice on every page, but just one of the first that then covers the entire book. These umbrella notcies have to be respected as well. If the artist wishes to retain his copyright, that is his privilege and you must respect it. You must respect it legally, yes, but also if you wish others to respect your rights, copy and otherwise. Curiously, works published after March 1, 1989 doesn't necessarily need a copyright notice on it. Determing what is copyrighted and what is public domain got really complicated legally after March 1, 1989.

Now, a copyright doesn't lock a work up. It doesn't mean that the work can't be reused. Now we enter the worlds of "fair use," and "derivative work."

Fair use says that you can use a quotation from a copyrighted work without the author's permission, even against the author's will, for discussion or criticism of that work as long as you quote only a small fraction of that work, as long as the quotation comprises only a fraction of your work, as long as your quotation is for the purposes of discussing the original work, and as long as you make the original author clear, cite the original source, and mention that the quotation is copyrighted.

Allow me to quote from the US Federal Code, Title 17, Chapter 1, Section 107:

Sec. 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use


Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include -

(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;

(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.

(BTW, the US Federal Code is considered public domain for the purposes of copyright law and can be quoted freely).

There's a nice discussion of Fair Use on this website.


A "derivative work" is when you use someone else's work as a basis or as a part of a larger work that you, yourself, have done. It's a completely different subject.



Now, here's an interesting question: If Benchmade publishes a picture of a knife on their website and I put that picture into a post here on the forum for the purposes of discussing the knife, that's fair use clearly (provided they cite the source, etc.). The thread is discussing and critcizing the knife. The real purpose of my thread is that discussion which is a new work itself.

If I, as a knife collector and amateur photographer, buy that knife and take a new and unique picture of it and post that picture on my website as art, and someone else finds it and posts it in a thread discussing and criticizing the picture, my photograhic technique, etc., that is also fair use (again, providing that the source is cited, etc.).

BUT, if someone else takes my picture and uses it in a thread to discuss the knife, that may not be fair use (it could be a derivative work, though).
 
Since I make my living with photographs, I might as well and my two cents! Any photo I take is by law copyrighted. It should only be reproduced with permission. That is the law, plain and simple! The freedom of access over the internet does not override the law.
Now that I have said that, do I care, NO! As long as my work is well presented I'm happy. If I am given credit, I'm happier. The only time I get upset is when it is my work and someone else is given credit. My photographs are sent to all of the knife publications each month. On the back of each one is the note "copyright for publication is released with photo credit". Most of the time the editors make sure it is listed. But about once a month I will see a photo without credit given. But lets grow up, life is too short to worry about it. Now with all of that said, it comes down to money. If I am the one to make a profit from my work it's ok. If someone else is trying to make money from my work, it isn't!
 
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