Pioneer fail, cadet win.

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Every once in a while, some little thing happens to shake your faith. Like if the sun rises in the west, or your favorite gun malefactions the first time in 10,000 rounds.

I like SAK's, but mostly I love the alox basic boy scout pattern like the pioneer and my old Wenger SI. I grew up with a boy scout knife dad gave me when I was 12, left it home when I joined the army after high school and carried the army issue ML-k or demo knife for the next several years. So the basic scout knife is a stable item in my personal history. I've used from wooded campsites in the eastern hardwoods of the U.S. tot he evergreens of the Black Forest in Germany, to some jungle places in Vietnam. So when I find a situation that it fails, it's sort of like the sun rising in the west.

I went over a family members house to help with some project. I took my Wenger and a few tools since this project involved something where "Some assembly required." Yeah, I know. When I see that phrase I want a complete tool room and machine shop on hand if I can get it.

Everything was going good, and I was using the small tip on the Wenger SI's can opener to drive some small phillips screws. Worked like a charm. Then I got to the next step, and opened a small plastic bag with some very small phillips screws. Like in really very small. Using the tweezers from my classic to hold them since they were way to small for my arthritic fingers, I found the screw driver tip on the SI too big. The SD tip on the classic was too big. The small phillips driver in my tool kit was too big. I was looking at the project wonder ing what to do next when my son Matt, comes over and see's what the hold up is. He takes out his Victorinox cadet and hands it to me. I tell him the SD tip is too big.

"Use the nail file tip, dad. " is all he said to me. He's standing there with that smart grin on his face, so I open up the nail file tool on the cadet. It fits the tiny screws perfectly. Like it was made for it. I go and tighten them all down and hand the cadet back to him. He's still got the smart a-- grin on, and he tells me " Right tool for the job, dad. Isn't that what you told me all those times?"

"Yeah, right tool for the job. But is a nail file the right tool? " I ask him.

Matt thinks a bit. then he tells me, "Yeah, if it works. 'Improvise and overcome'. Isn't that what you told me?"

I hate smart a--es. Especially when it's my own kid, and he's too darn big to take down. At over 6 feet, he's bigger than the old man, so I let it go. But I will have to get it out of the better half what she fed these kids growing up. Sure wasn't Spaghetti O's.

I may need to pick up a cadet and give it a try for a edc.
 
Whiskey tango fuggetaboutit...you had me there for a second...FAIL????
 
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My first post here. I've enjoyed the forum for some time. So now it's time for a contribution:
The Alox Cadet is a badass little dude. And, as of today, I can verify that the wire stripper really works! It saved my ass today and I used four of its tools (knife, flathead, Phillips and wire staripper). It saved the day.
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I've carried this Cadet for several years now. It is an older version, old logo and no engraving panel, I was gifted this knife in Italy several years ago. I find a use for it multiple times every day. My attachment to this knife is way beyond sentimental. It works every time.

Cheers, guys,good to be among you.
Ed
 
Good story. Remember, it's better to be a smart a$$ than a dumb a$$.

That nail file is the reason I chose a Cadet over the Pioneer. In 20+ years of owning SAK's I've used the awl maybe twice. Can't tell you how many times I've put that nail file to work. Plus I like the smaller size of the Cadet.
 
A fun story as usual, but I won't be dropping my Pioneer cuz it's just too awesome :thumbup:

Welcome aboard Ed! Pics of your old Cadet are required though :)
 
I've been kicking myself for years for not buying a Cadet II when they were easy to get. But lately my resistance to the Cadet has been waning. Knowing the file functions as a Phillips driver in a pinch doesn't help! ;-)
 
This may be considered sacrilege, but if the nail file tip worked... wouldn't the tip of the knife blade done the job as well? :eek:

I wouldn't do it. My Champion Plus came with one of the mini-screwdrivers that fits inside the corkscrew, so I can pop it into either that or my Huntsman. :cool:
 
Re-reading I realized I hadn't acknowledged Jackknife's story which I enjoyed. Good one!

Thanx, arizonaranchman, I'll post a pic or two when I figure out how to do it from my phone or iPad.

The Cadet sure is a fantastic little knife and I've carried it nearly every day for several years. It's a bit beat up but it's still a beauty to me. The only unfortunate incident I've ever had with it was when I closed it one-handed one night and it snapped shut on my ring finger. My palm instantly filled with blood! Had to hurry upstairs to the bathroom before it spilled onto the white Berber carpet (whew, just made it). I bled like a damn Gladiator movie!

Cheers, guys,
Ed
 
This may be considered sacrilege, but if the nail file tip worked... wouldn't the tip of the knife blade done the job as well? :eek:

I wouldn't do it. My Champion Plus came with one of the mini-screwdrivers that fits inside the corkscrew, so I can pop it into either that or my Huntsman. :cool:

In Taiwan, I only had a Spartan, and when my glasses needed tightening, I used to use the edge-side tip of the smaller knife blade. Those glasses weren't as tight as the ones I wear now, and I never ruined the tip of that blade. I have a mini-driver in my Swisschamp and newer Spartan nowadays, but a lot of the time I simply use my index fingernail to tighten my glasses screw.

Jim
 
This issue is one reason why I prefer the Micra/pocket knife combo. One additional benefit the Micra has is that the small diver blade is fairly long and works on many recessed screws like those found on many electronics.


EDC Pair by Pinnah, on Flickr
 
This issue is one reason why I prefer the Micra/pocket knife combo. One additional benefit the Micra has is that the small diver blade is fairly long and works on many recessed screws like those found on many electronics.

Well, not so really. Thanks to that bottle opener hump, the actual length of the driver is not very much. That said, I still believe the Micra is best of all the "keychain" multitools. It's only real fault is the sharp edged pivot fasteners, making it a bit less hand and pocket friendly than the Squirts, to say nothing of Vics in that size. Much as I like Leatherman products, hand comfort is not one of their better qualities.
 
Got scared there for a minute..
That is why i prefer the rambler to the classic. Unbelievable screwdriver on that one.
 
I wish they would bring back the Leatherman Mini, or just dump those dumb scissors on the Micra, and replace it with a pair of pliers.

 
I wish they would bring back the Leatherman Mini, or just dump those dumb scissors on the Micra, and replace it with a pair of pliers.[/URL]

I could go for one with pliers, but need those Micra scissors. They get used for all sorts of cutting chores and are the best I've found in any keychain tool, including the Squirts, Style CS or any of the Vic's, which are nice but too small.
 
Ugh, I have a Mini and I hate it. I use it maybe once a year because the needle nose pliers are okay. But all the tools are hard to extract even after vigorous excersising. The bottle opener will not open bottles. I pinch myself all the time with this thing.

There are some positives, I'm sure. The file sharpens fish hooks a little faster than the Vic. But I'd trade it for another Cadet anytime.

If you've got positive comments on the Mini I'm all ears. Not to cause thread drift or anything...

Cheers, guys.
Ed
 
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