Please explain: Through Hardened Black and Tan Battle Rat's

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I am curious what the appeal of a through hardened Swampie is. Could it be that it's less expensive because a mistake was made? Just speculation.
Thanks for your time.
 
Rats don't make mistakes. :cool:

And why would you say that it's less expensive? Have you seen prices posted somewhere? :confused: :confused:
 
It is possible that they may be less expensive but no prices have been set yet. However, if it is less expensive it is not because of any mistake. It would be because there is less work involved for us to through harden them than to differential temper them. Because differential tempered blades require two separate heat treats they are much more time and labor intensive. Through hardened require only one heat treat.

However, the tan handles usually cost more so if they aren't priced lower this is the reason.

I have to admit that it bothers me that you would think that we would sell "mistakes" and if you actually thought this, wouldn't it be better to address this via email before possibly starting unsubstantiated rumors. You may think this isn't a big deal, but you really don't realize that some people lurk on these forums just to try and find info to start rumors about, and/or they may read your post and then assume it is correct because you've been around a while.

"just speculation"... interesting statement, kinda like "just speculating" there is a fire in a crowded theater :rolleyes:
 
Sounds like someone is starting rumors to me...

but that's just speculation...:cool:
 
Heavy said:
Sounds like someone is starting rumors to me...

but that's just speculation...:cool:
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I'm sure if someone is trying to start rumors it is too slow sales so he is able to slide in and buy them up and corner the market. I think it is actually a very sly devious attempt to gain control of the Swamp ;):p

Good work Ed, that is a sly move(very HOGlike ;) )

:D:D
 
Walking Man said:
Could it be that it's less expensive because a mistake was made? Just speculation.
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EDITED 'CAUSE I JUMPED TO AN INCORRECT CONCLUSION...my bad
 
Maybe what was meant is that it's not an inferior product just that they were made contrary to the normal production version and would be sold as thus, like the inficoot? Internet comments can be taken many ways and more often than not they seem to be taken with the most negative connotation possible. That being said it has already been said that they're not mistakes so the question is answered.
 
Okay.......
As I'm sure you already know, I'm not one to pull punches, but I don't feel that I said anything out of place. I have on more than one occassion done this:
:foot: :foot: :foot: :foot:
and sometimes I'm mean and even rude, but most of the time,
I'm just trying to start a conversation in a friendly way!
Also, I have ALWAYS apologized for my unfriendly manner in the few instances that I was out of line.
But let's get back to my original question, please.
What the appeal of a through hardened Swampie?
Are there specific advantages over the regular models?
I admit I don't know. Anyone?
 
Walking Man said:
Okay.......
What the appeal of a through hardened Swampie?
Are there specific advantages over the regular models?
I admit I don't know. Anyone?
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Now, why didn't you ask it that way in the beginning ;)

I don't know that there is a specific appeal other than that they are just a little different. No specific advantage over the regular models except that they will be more limited. Performance will still be very high.

More than anything they will just be different in aesthetics from any previous release (black and tan)

:D:D
 
To me, the appeal of a through hardened Rat is just that I don't think that the larger blades require the differential temper. Don't you think that it'd be unneccessary to differentially harden INFI? With the Swamps hardening process, I feel the same may apply to SR101 and I'm anxious to check it out for myself. :thumbup:

:D
 
360joules said:
To me, the appeal of a through hardened Rat is just that I don't think that the larger blades require the differential temper. Don't you think that it'd be unneccessary to differentially harden INFI?
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I don't know. A differentially tempered INFI blade might make it tougher.
I know the Busse and Swamp shop test and tests and tests for toughness, and part of my original question was directed at the fact it deviates from the extremely tough and throughly tested SR knives. To suggest that something that SR/Busse does isn't necessary is (my opinion) to second guess A LOT of HARD and EXTREME and DESTRUCTIVE testing that's already been done.
 
There's a huge difference between "necessary" and "advantageous". Busse and Swamp Rat are famous for going the extra mile to do things "advantageous" for the customer. Not all of those things are "necessary". I don't think that I've second guessed anybody.

Additionally, I feel extremely secure that the Swamp wouldn't release through hardened Battle Rats unless they were sure that they met the Swamps standard for toughness. :thumbup:
 
I bought one today and, believe me, the Swamp didn't make any mistakes on it.
 
Walking Man said:
Are there specific advantages over the regular models?
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Pretty much every choice made in steel or heat treatment is a compromise . When you spring temper a spine you make the blade weaker as it will take a set at a lower force. Some makers prefer to leave the blade at full hardness for maximum strength which results in a blade that has little ability to bend before it cracks. The advantage of spring draws is that in general you make the knife much more resistant to gross impacts (heavy hammer hits not wooden batons), and the knife will bend through a much larger angle before it will crack. The extreme range of behavior can be seen by comparing a very soft spine blade like Fowler to a full hard blade like Strider. Fowler's knives bend to extreme angles very easily, Striders will crack at low angles but take a lot of force to get there. There are makers and users on both sides of the arguement.

-Cliff
 
So...

Through hardened: More force required to bend but will break/crack at a lower point.

Differentially hardened: Less force required to bend but breaks/cracks at a higher point.

Pretty much?
 
Generally, and there is usually a large difference in ability to handle heavy impacts as well.

-Cliff
 
Paddling_man said:
So...

Through hardened: More force required to bend but will break/crack at a lower point. AND SOMEWHAT MORE BRITTLE IN REGARD TO HEAVY IMPACTS[/I]

Differentially hardened: Less force required to bend but breaks/cracks at a higher point AND SOMEWHAT MORE FLEXIBLE IN REGARD TO HEAVY IMPACTS
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Is that about right then when making a relative comparison between two blades?

(All of this being said, I'm desperately hoping to get a thru-hardened Battle Rat tonight.)
 
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