Please poke some holes in my collection

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Hi all,

I've been looking at my Bussekin collection for the last couple of weeks, and thinking about what I'm "missing". I know the simplest and most correct answer is, of course, "anything I don't have two of", but I'm trying to reign myself in just a bit. I've got a few ideas that I'll list, but I'd be really interested to hear some of your opinions.

Here's my current lineup:

Cultellus
Skeleton Warden (x2)
Muddy Warden (.20)
Fat HOG Warden (.27)
SAR3 SE
Actve Duty (.20 Miliganza, x2)
HOG Muk LE (on order, of course)
Scrapper 5 CG
RatManDu
Boss Jack CG (choilless)
SAR6 SE
NMSFNO CG
B11 (convexed)
NMFBM CG

I know I'm kind of heavy on the smaller, EDC side of things. I have a tendency to gravitate that way as I just have more opportunity to carry and use them than the big boys.

Here's the "holes" that I'm seeing, and my rationale:

Folder - :)

Boney Active Duty - Thin, high hardness slicing goodness.

CABS - Because apparently I was a fool to not pick one of these up when they were in the store.

Scrapper 5 SE/LE - Mudder handle = great cold weather woods knife. I like the CG a lot, but who wouldn't want it in INFI?

SNFO - Preferably x/300 or custom satin. I -love- my CG NMSFNO, but sometimes a little shorter and lighter would just do the trick, ya know?

SARsquatch - I can't really say why. There's probably nothing that it can do that the SAR6 can't, but my fingers itch to hold it every time I see one on the exchange.

CG FBM - CBT. Iconic. Every home should have one.

FFBM - First, because, -damn-, just look at it! Second, how can you -not- want it after watching Noss beat the snot out of one like that?

Ruck/AK47/Waki - Two words: zombie hordes.

What am I missing? I'm going to guess the one I'll hear most is an ASH/FSH/HHFSH. I know I -should- want one, but they just don't "call" to me. I had toyed with the idea of a Skinny ASH for a while, but I haven't felt that hankering again since I got the SAR6 in hand.

Okay, let's hear your thoughts.

-TheLunk-
 
Something snakeskin. Something g-rex.

Once i have users covered, i start looking at colors and materials for variety.
 
I would get a ASH of any type. Though if you've got your heart set on a Squatch you may not need the ASH.

I might be biased because I'm trying to acquire and ASH or Skinny ASH in the near future.

Overall though you've covered all the bases with the collection you have there.

Tony
 
Nice collection. You have small and large covered.

IMHO you need to try out a mid-size differentially heat treated Swamp Rat. I don't think you could go wrong with Camp Tramp, Chop/Ratweiler, or even an M6 in your Bussekin collection.
 
okay, this is my list of things you should get, but not necessarily own for the long run. When I tend to think of "Busse's to get" I don't necessarily expect all of them to be keepers, I think of them as stepping stones towards understanding the greater busse catalog so that you know what you like the best.


MOAB - It's a massive knife with an incredibly thick edge. It is the biggest knife busse has produced that wasn't pure custom. You'll know if your okay with a) that much money in one knife and b) something that heavy
TTKZ - Best chopping handle busse has ever produced (to me) in full tang. It stays locked into one position and gives you a solid grip because of the even index to pinky heigth and the overal shape. The one problem is that the edge is a low (50%) FAT convex saber. This means that it's incredibly heavy on the front end and incredibly thick. Where the MOAB is thick right behind the edge but has a full flat, the TTKZ is thick behind the edge and gets thick incredibly fast because of it's grind. If your willing to send this in to garth to get the grind thinned out it will be the best chopper in the catalog.
KZII - You should get this to compare to the TTKZ, and the NMFBM. The grind is better than the TTKZ and it's blade shape may be more to your liking (or less). The main issue with the KZII is the handle. It is built more like the fusion handles with a big tennis ball in the center. the palm/finger swell is severe and the height difference between the index/pinky position and the center of the finger/palm swell is to much for me. It makes it bite into your metacarpals (hand bones) when you squeeze hard on it. Also, the rear pommel swell is too up swept and it smashes into your wrist/arm when you chop past a straight line with your arm. BUT - you'll have to own it to know if thats the case with you. If you like wrist snaps while choking up on the handle - the kz2 is better then the TTKZ.
FFBM - This is worth getting to compare to the NMFBM. It's like the MOAB in it's edge structure, where it's got way way way to much metal directly behind the edge, so it doesn't want to sink into the wood, it wants to smash it like a mallet. I consider it kind of a not-ideal set up like other busse's because it doesn't feel like a 'total one piece knife' like the HOGFSH. Instead, it feels kind of like the CGNMFBM in that it feels like a plate of steel, it vibrates like a plate of steel. For it's length, it is a heavy heavy knife.
ergo battle mistress - You should get this just to try out the ergo handles. The pinky position is too tall and the curve on the palm to severe, but it's worth trying 1) because of it's history 2) because it's more neutral then most other choppers in it's size because of it's HUGE pommel height and 3) because some people love the ergo handle.
HOGFSH - This is one of the most perfect feeling designs I've handled from busse, in a standard scale configuration. It feels like a 'complete' design, not to blade heavy, not to handle heavy, not like a plate of steel or like a sledge hammer, it feels right.
AK47 - This is worth getting, to me, to figure out if you like the sword configuration or not. This has too thick of an edge, to low of a saber grind, and to wide of a convex curve to be reasonable for general use. It also has a strange balance for a sword - it's not the choppers you get from Himalayan Imports, and it's not a nuetrally balanced highly perfected weapon like a katana from 1675 japan. It's a weird mix that for me wasn't really worth it. But others love it - you won't know until you try it.
RUCK KENSAI - custom shop - I would like to try the Ruck Kensai to see if it can be used as a chopper/machete even despite it's way-too-thick grind. BUT the real reason I see to buy the ruck kensai is to have it's handle shortened to either a one handed grip or a short 2 handed grip and have it's grind brought up to a full flat by the Custom Shop. That would make it a one of a kind INFI machete.
Gladius - Just because you need one. Everyone who can afford it needs one.
Dagger - because it may be the only time you see one come through from busse.
Crash Rat - The one Busse kin axe. It was too thick behind the edge for me and wasn't as 'axe like' as I was hoping for, but it's worth trying. It is very heavy because of the amount of full thickness stock present. I have always wanted to rebuy one and remove the spike and finger grooves and then add a thin but round set of g10 scales to cover the entire handle length.
pauls hatchet - I wouldn't keep this, but you should try it out. 3rd gen handle with a mini hatchet head. My issue was just that the edge was very small and there wasn't enough weight in it to get good chopping force, but I was assuming I'd just use it on chopping wood and not in the kitchen. If that had been one of my requirements it may have been a lot more appealing. It's a unique little hatchet thats worth trying at least once.
SAR 8 - This has a handle that some people really love, others find to be to large. It's a nice package because it's got a pommel flare the keeps your hand from sliding back but it's overall package is less tall then other choppers in it's size. It's like a basic 9 thats had a lot of metal put into the handle.
DSSF - This is like an elongated Boss Jack. It's the most compact chopper of its size that your going to find from any of the busse kin. Excellent chopper that saves as much weight and size possible.
LE Choiless Boss Jack - A (slightly less than) 3/16" version of the Choiless Boss Jack. I haven't handled the edge so I don't know how thick it is but it is probably worth trying to see if you'd prefer a thiner variation on your Choiless Boss Jack proto or cgcbj. If you don't have a Proto and want a thicker version of the cg (:p) it's worth looking for a proto.
mini sus scrofa - This is one of the thinner slicers in the busse catalog that I think a lot of people skip over for something like the boney active duty. The benefit over the BAD is it's unique edge structure. Personally I woudln't be willing to keep the knife without either sending it in to the custom shop to remove the choil or modifying it myself to do so, but I think it's something that people should try out at least once if they have the money.
boney active duty - Worth having because it's the highest hardness busse can get INFI, and it's thin. I don't like the active duty handle because the palm swell is too severe, but I'd like to try it at some point because of the change of heat treat and edge thickness.
CABS - Only thin choiless knife busse has made. I didn't end up keeping mine, but thats only because I switched to a CABJ. Had it not been for that, I would have carried it until a CABJ or comparable came into existence.
basic 5 - One of the better designs busse has come up with. It's M-INFI but it's super light for it's overal size. It's also one of the best edc sized knives for sub zero environments because of it's reciprene c handle.
basic 7 - I felt nothing for this blade, like... Didn't love it, didn't hate it, didn't feel anything. It just kind of disappeared in my hand, so it was hard to feel anything about it. BUT, it's like the basic 5 but long enough to chop and with more edge for general cutting tasks. I think the basic 5 to basic 7 transition depends on the person, where one will feel to small for one person, the basic 7 will feel perfect, and for that basic 5 person the basic 7 will feel to large.
SHBA - I found the finger swell to be to severe and the overall package to be to handle heavy, but some people love this knife. It's worth trying to see if your one of them.
scotch dispensor - one of the small skeleton handles Busse has produced. Strange handle, similarly to the war boar. I haven't tried one, but I think if your going to have a collection you should have the stand out 'weird' knives in the mix.
war boar - Only busse kin karambit. It's got too severe of an angle between handle and blade to be useful as an edc, and it's seat belt cutter serrated upper edge makes it both less likely to be legal and a little harder to use as an edc. I also wouldn't have put a finger ring in the design. BUT it's super unique, and you might like it.
skeleton key - Tiny little skeleton design that is very compact. I'd prefer less of a choil, but it's one of those awesome knives that just kind of disappeared in the public eye over time.
rat tail - One of my favorite busse kin knives of all time. It's the most compact mini edc I've seen. It's got a very small choil, a super compact handle, a short compact gaurd that minimize the distance between your index finger and edge, it's thin enough to be okay as an edc but thick enough to be able to pry with and it's highly pocketable.


If you can get anything pre-straight handle days, any of the desert fighters, proto badger attacks, or unique field grades they are excellent for a collectors collection. And you can be one of the few people to find one and then take it on as a user.

Last ones if you just have lots of money and want to have them (I don't suggest getting these for use)
Force 1 - weird. The front is a puuko style zero edge going from .220 to edge in about 1/4", making it very very very thick, even if it's "shaving sharp". Great handle and length, but weird tip grind.
pt5 - weird. Same as above, but instead of the special forces handle this has the ergo handle. It's got to short edges and the same puuko style zero edge on the tip.
 
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IMO you have the B5 covered with the S5LE, and you have the B9 beat with the B11. The Basic 7 is a lightweight, super-ergonomic horse of a knife that will do everything the SAR 6 will do (or any other full-tang 6-8" blade Busse under .25" thick) and in a lighter, stronger, more ergonomic package.
 
I would say a Steel Heart-E or the Battle Mistress-E. Two of the flagship knives that catapulted Busse popularity.
 
also, Mike Thourot's INFI pieces.
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Definitely heavy on the small end. Sell a few smaller ones that you don't use as much and get a CABS. Seriously, I love mine.

I have owned two BADs. Sold the first red/black one because the red was purple (and I had three smaller ones and needed a mid sized).

Then bought another BAD with a tan canvas handle. I EDC that one every day. It would be perfect if it had no choil! It is not as comfortable a handle for "bushcraft work" as the CABS, but it is a small light package.

You need a KZII, or a Gladius, or Ruck or AK.

I love my SarQ, Great thin tall blade. Comfy handle. Flat pommel. I sold my Ash1cg and really love the SarQ.

Not sure I would get the FFBM. I had a FBMLE that I eventually sold off to fund other pieces. I miss it. But with your NMFBM you are covered in that area. If anything, I would suggest a FBM with the corrugate bevels. They are lighter, but still hell for stout. And I think they are the best looking stripped knives ever!
 
Funny thing is I read your list and said hum missing ASH/FSH/HHFSH, & then I saw your note, oh well.
 
Some great ideas here in the responses, folks. Thank you all!

LVC - that might be one of the most info-dense posts I've run across on this forum. Outstanding! Thanks for taking the time. And those Thourot pieces are absolutely gorgeous.

Matteo - SH-E: this was one I hadn't considered. It would get me into a Steel Heart in a different way than the Fusion path... Definitely one to think on.

LVC + Will - Basic 7: another that wasn't on my radar at all, but might be now. I've only recently acquired the B11, but I'm already digging the weight/performance ratio. I can see where a slightly smaller version could be fantastic.

jdigi101 - diff treated SR101: I love the RatManDu. Just a great mid-size blade. I should keep my eyes open and extend out further into the "-kin" areas.

-mike-
 
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You have 16 knives ranging in size from 3" to 17"... I don't think there are any holes in your collection, what so ever. I cant think of a single use or task you cant handle with what you've got. Holes how? Use? Aesthetics? Size? Just go buy another Busse, and stop making excuses for wanting to do so. :D
 
TheLunk,

What a great collection you have! In regard to the SARsquatch, I know what you mean. I traded in my NMSFNO for a SARsquatch and don't regret it one bit. It just has that cool factor to it in my opinion. Mine is the CF with some nice patina on it, which gives it that "vintage" look. It feels amazing in the hand. I highly recommend it. It also comes convexed (which was another reason I traded it for the NMSFNO.) They have been popping up under $300 lately, which seems like a total bargain to me for so much knife! Noss sure does make that FFBM appealing though. I will NEVER part with my Squatch.

Good luck!
 
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