Recommendation? Please : Tell me about the "ball lock " on the Manix 2 Lightwt .

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I see one for a good price . I like the blade and handle style , but I have zero experience with this knife or lock type . :confused:

All testimonials welcome ! :):thumbsup:

I'm most concerned with strength and reliability . :cool:

Fidgetiness is not so much a concern . :rolleyes:

Thanks for you help ! ;)
 
The caged ball lock used on the Manix2 was developed for the P'kal, a dedicated Martial Blade Craft knife. It is very strong and reliable. The only problems I've ever heard about have been traceable to do-it-yourselfers taking them apart and/or modifying them. As far as strength goes, you'll break the handle before the lock fails.
 
It's very strong, I don't see how one could even break that, steel bearing slamming up against an anvil, without breaking the blade or handle first. It certainly won't cut your fingers off. I trust a lot of locks, but if I was really worried about the strongest lock, and wanted a findable Spyderco, I'd trust that lock, especially.

Does anyone know: Is the only difference beteween the ball-lock on the Dodo and the CBBL, the, uh, cage?
 
The only failures I have read about here on BF is the piece that holds the ball and acts as the lock release. There are aftermarket options made from sturdier material.

I enjoy the CBBL on my Manix 2 models. The coil spring is much stiffer than the spring type used on a Benchmade Axis lock, which I personally think is a good thing.
 
It's very strong, I don't see how one could even break that, steel bearing slamming up against an anvil, without breaking the blade or handle first. It certainly won't cut your fingers off. I trust a lot of locks, but if I was really worried about the strongest lock, and wanted a findable Spyderco, I'd trust that lock, especially.

Does anyone know: Is the only difference beteween the ball-lock on the Dodo and the CBBL, the, uh, cage?
The caged ball lock was developed from the ball bearing lock. It allowed them to reduce the closed width needed for the lock by reducing the size of the ball used. The cage was needed to operate the lock since the ball was now too small to grasp with finger tips. It took several years to develope the P'kal, Sal and Eric were determined to do their due diligence on something designed for life or death struggles.
 
I'll be honest, I am spring-adverse. The more springs, the smaller, the lighter, the more coils, the more reluctant I get. That's why when I bought me orange knife, I got standard RAT 1 as opposed to a RAT 1-A. I never store my Microtech outside of it's plastic bag, it's either in my fifth pocket, my hand, or the bag, unless the container is 100% clean, because I don't wanna risk dust, lint, cat hair getting in there. I'll risk that with cutting and carrying - that happens, but why let it literally collect dust? That's why I don't own a lot of automatics. My favorites in order of use, are a tie for back lock+Tri-Ad and compression lock for no. 1, good liner locks like a RAT, and have just been getting into the ball lock with my Dodo. I'd probably like the framelock more if I used it, I don't think my Cricket counts...

Spyderco's ball locks seem like better-made, stronger versions of the Benchmade Axis lock.

That's the other thing - I hear of Benchmade Axis Springs breaking all the time. "Buy aftermarket" I hear, "The ones I bought on Wish/Etsy/made myself have held up fine!" I've heard. No Benchmade knife I own features the Axis lock, nor do I intend to pay money for anything from Benchmade that folds, no offense to their brand, just not my style and I have all my slots filled.

Closest things I have are... a Chinese, D2 SRM knife with an Axis lock that I got as a gift, and it's fun, it's a good beater, definitely like to play with it, it's a fun lock, I will say that. And then, it has to be the ball lock on my three Dodos. This lock is not nearly as instantly fun as the Axis, but it gets more fun as it breaks in. Lol, judging a lock on how "fun" it is - you could call this the one-hand-openability aspect though as I am about to explain.

The most broken-in one I own, which was used, and had the scales replaced to Desert Ironwood, I can easily open and close it with one hand almost like the reg. Axis lock on my SRM. My new Jade M4 Dodo is a bit harder, though it's breaking in. First few tries were impossible to close without two hands and usage of fingernails! Ha. Glad it's like that though, I have extreme confidence in the strength.

The caged ball lock was developed from the ball bearing lock. It allowed them to reduce the closed width needed for the lock by reducing the size of the ball used. The cage was needed to operate the lock since the ball was now too small to grasp with finger tips. It took several years to develope the P'kal, Sal and Eric were determined to do their due diligence on something designed for life or death struggles.
Yab, you always are coming in clutch with answers, I am grateful for the stuff you answer all the time from me and others. You're second to Sal in the amount of history and facts and general info I've got about Spyderco.

I did not know about the MBC origins of the lock. Sal and Eric are some of the most respectable, just "coolest" people in the knife world, in my opinion. The more I find out about them, the more I seem to like them. I've heard of various things that they have done just out of concern and safety - read about Sal being presented with something that could have been a problem on the Rescue, shortly thereafter having a dream about a firefighter cutting through tough material as the blade failed on him, woke up, feared it becoming a reality, and fixed the problem. One of many just "cool" things they've done. I think we could all stand to take a bit from their philosophy on things, too. :)
 
Strong as hell. Tends to start out a bit stiff and break in nicely.

I've owned one Manix LW and a couple regular Manix 2s, and the regular ones all had better action; something to do with the construction and blade weight, maybe, or it could just be my examples.

Having a pretty good overlap with your taste in knives, I suspect you might prefer the G10 version. Both versions are versatile, useful cutters and slicers, but the regular version has a bit of the ol' tank-like feel.
 
Much thanks to all ! :)

I like what I'm hearing . :cool::thumbsup:

Will probably pull the trigger on this one ! ;)
 
I'll be honest, I am spring-adverse. The more springs, the smaller, the lighter, the more coils, the more reluctant I get. That's why when I bought me orange knife, I got standard RAT 1 as opposed to a RAT 1-A. I never store my Microtech outside of it's plastic bag, it's either in my fifth pocket, my hand, or the bag, unless the container is 100% clean, because I don't wanna risk dust, lint, cat hair getting in there. I'll risk that with cutting and carrying - that happens, but why let it literally collect dust? That's why I don't own a lot of automatics. My favorites in order of use, are a tie for back lock+Tri-Ad and compression lock for no. 1, good liner locks like a RAT, and have just been getting into the ball lock with my Dodo. I'd probably like the framelock more if I used it, I don't think my Cricket counts...

Spyderco's ball locks seem like better-made, stronger versions of the Benchmade Axis lock.

That's the other thing - I hear of Benchmade Axis Springs breaking all the time. "Buy aftermarket" I hear, "The ones I bought on Wish/Etsy/made myself have held up fine!" I've heard. No Benchmade knife I own features the Axis lock, nor do I intend to pay money for anything from Benchmade that folds, no offense to their brand, just not my style and I have all my slots filled.

Closest things I have are... a Chinese, D2 SRM knife with an Axis lock that I got as a gift, and it's fun, it's a good beater, definitely like to play with it, it's a fun lock, I will say that. And then, it has to be the ball lock on my three Dodos. This lock is not nearly as instantly fun as the Axis, but it gets more fun as it breaks in. Lol, judging a lock on how "fun" it is - you could call this the one-hand-openability aspect though as I am about to explain.

The most broken-in one I own, which was used, and had the scales replaced to Desert Ironwood, I can easily open and close it with one hand almost like the reg. Axis lock on my SRM. My new Jade M4 Dodo is a bit harder, though it's breaking in. First few tries were impossible to close without two hands and usage of fingernails! Ha. Glad it's like that though, I have extreme confidence in the strength.


Yab, you always are coming in clutch with answers, I am grateful for the stuff you answer all the time from me and others. You're second to Sal in the amount of history and facts and general info I've got about Spyderco.

I did not know about the MBC origins of the lock. Sal and Eric are some of the most respectable, just "coolest" people in the knife world, in my opinion. The more I find out about them, the more I seem to like them. I've heard of various things that they have done just out of concern and safety - read about Sal being presented with something that could have been a problem on the Rescue, shortly thereafter having a dream about a firefighter cutting through tough material as the blade failed on him, woke up, feared it becoming a reality, and fixed the problem. One of many just "cool" things they've done. I think we could all stand to take a bit from their philosophy on things, too. :)
The scary thing is, most of the "history" I relate was "news" when I read it. I've been around here a while.

The CBBL is actually closer in function to the Blackie Collins Bolt Action lock than the Axis lock. The way forces are transmitted from blade to handle are totally different.
 
Great knife. Been my work knife for a few years now.
Get it dirty, wash with soap and water, blow it out with an air hose. Add a couple drops of erl and she’s ready to go again.
Action on mine is great. Free swinging blade when tabs are pulled. No blade play to speak of. Still works like it was new.
Hell, I even like the BD1 steel.
I believe it to be one of Spyderco’s greatest designs.
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Since you're sold on the Manix 2 platform why no get one in the newer upgraded CTS-BD1N steel and experience the added nitrogen.
 
Thanks guys ! :):thumbsup::thumbsup: You all convinced me .

I just put in an order for this version : https://www.bladehq.com/item--Spyderco-Manix-2-Lightweight-Knife--30199

But not from this sponsor or a trusted store I've dealt with .

Great price but some risk . $115 , so not super suspicious cheap .

I'll post pics , if and when received , to make sure not a counterfeit . :eek:
Received today (UPS 2nd day home ) !

Loving it so far . Seems like the real thing , so far as I can tell . :cool: :thumbsup:

Only difference I see from BH stock photo is that mine has black Torx head screws rather than any rivets .

BB Lock works perfect : smooth and drop shut . Fairly easy to fidget , axis lock style .

Very lightweight , compared to my usual .
 
Very nice.
Wish mine had the screws, but the pinned handle has been perfect on mine.
Right next to the Nerf gun, ready for anything that comes your way.😁
 
Very nice.
Wish mine had the screws, but the pinned handle has been perfect on mine.
Right next to the Nerf gun, ready for anything that comes your way.😁
You can see my pics ? I can't , just Red X's . :(

I'm very happy with my new Manix 2 . I much prefer the screws , in case of a spring failure or something . IMO a great improvement !
Since you're sold on the Manix 2 platform why no get one in the newer upgraded CTS-BD1N steel and experience the added nitrogen.

I was also surprised to receive a slightly better steel than I bargained for , i.e. BD1N , with added nitrogen for better corrosion resistance . :cool::thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
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